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Secondary Throttle Valve Actuator Defect

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
Last Friday I was disappointed to see a red light illuminate on my instrument cluster, along with an "F1" indication where the coolant temperature is displayed. The bike has a user diagnostic mode which can be activated by the following procedure:

1) Remove the seat and rear frame cover (rear fairing)
2) Find the 6-pin connector with a white, rubber cover near the relays
3) Start the bike (or turn the key to the accessory position if the bike will not start)
4) Jump the two terminals as shown in the picture below
5) Write down the error code as displayed in the coolant temperature display (WRITE IT DOWN, the code may not always remain stored after retrieval).

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In my case, the code that came up was C-28, or Secondary Throttle Valve Actuator (SVTA). After testing the actuator per the shop manual, I concluded that the actuator was defective.

The first thing I did was call the Suzuki dealership, who told me that this part was ONLY available as a full-throttle body assembly - $800. No doubt this infuriated me. Why do I need a whole throttle body assembly for one electronic part?

After further investigation, I came to find out that this part failed often on the '04-'05 inline fours, due to an incredibly poor design that left solder points on the actuator motor electrical connector incredibly vulnerable to separation by means of vibration.

First and foremost, the SVTA is an emissions part. Some of the reading that I did on the matter alleged that emissions parts are to be warranted by the manufacturer for 5-10 years, but I wouldn't expect every dealer to honor that request. Some guys paid up to $2000 to have their throttle body housing replaced along with the SVTA to get the problem fixed.

I tore mine apart and fixed it myself. Here are the steps required to fix the SVTA that will not only save you boatloads of time and money but also give you the satisfaction of fixing it yourself.

Items needed:
  • Drill or drill press
  • (5) M3x12 screws
  • (5) M3 nuts
  • Soldering iron & solder
  • Security Torx bits
  • Multimeter

The STVA is located on the right side of the throttle body housing.

To test:
1) Remove the seat
2) Lift & support the fuel tank
3) Remove the airbox cover
4) Turn the ignition switch on; the secondary throttle valves should cycle all the way open, then close very slightly to 95% open. If the valves close, proceed to step 5.
5) Use contact cleaner to clean the STVA connector.
6) Reconnect SVTA and repeat step 4. If the results are the same, proceed to step 7.
7) Test for resistance between the top two terminals and the bottom two terminals. Shown below as viewed while the unit is installed on the bike, from the rider position. Resistance should be approx. 7-8 ohms. If the unit tests badly, proceed to unit repair (below).

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To repair:
1) Remove the seat
2) Lift & support the fuel tank
3) Match-mark position of the Secondary Throttle Position Sensor (if not already done so by the factory)
4) Remove the Secondary Throttle Position Sensor using the security Torx bit
5) Remove STVA (CAUTION: these screws can strip easily, so have an impact driver handy if necessary)
6) Drill out the rivets that hold the two halves of the STVA enclosure together
7) Carefully pull the two halves apart

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8- Thread one of the M3 screws into the back side of the actuator motor to pull it out of the housing (rubber pads help keep the motor held in place. Removing the motor by hand may cause damage to the connecting parts)
9) Inspect the solder joints, particularly those circled in red below (those are the joints most prone to failure due to the part design).

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10) If possible, remove all old solder from any broken joints.
11) Place motor/connector assembly into actuator housing to temporarily locate the components
12) Re-solder the four joints
13) Test the resistance between the terminal pairs as described in step 7 (testing) above.
14) Reassemble the unit, using the M3 screws in place of the original rivets (blue thread locker is recommended)
15) When facing the right side of the bike, use a flat-blade screwdriver to rotate the STVA keyway all the way counter-clockwise.
16) Install the STVA
17) Manually open the Secondary Throttle Valves (clockwise when looking at the right side of the bike)
18- Install the Secondary Throttle Position Sensor (STPS), but leave the mounting screw finger-tight
19) Manually check the operation of the Secondary Throttle Valves. If they do not open, then you have the STPS aligned improperly. Proper alignment may take several attempts, but this is an important step.
20) Align the match-marked STPS and fasten its mounting screw
21) Turn the ignition to the ON position and test as described in the testing section (At this point, your red light should no longer be illuminated if the unit has been properly repaired)
22) Install airbox cover
23) Lower & fasten the fuel tank
24) Install the seat

If you don't feel confident doing this kind of repair yourself, feel free to PM me. I'd be glad to fix it for you for a modest fee. :)
 
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#3 ·
Great writeup. Sucky photos. I bet you haven't read that manual. ;-)

I'd bet if you put this on a dedicated web site you'd have good traffic. That's some great info.
 
#5 ·
I was too impatient to upload my own photos, so I modified some that I found elsewhere.

I'm not too surprised that no one at the Stealership knew what the hell the part even was.
 
#7 ·
Thank you sir! Motorcycles are newer to me, but I've been able to apply my mechanical aptitude and automotive knowledge. Plus, the satisfaction of fixing something yourself is well worth the effort and possible risk of doing something new. Like I always say, any repair is possible with tools and a manual.
 
#8 ·
Thanks for the write up on this problem. This information helped me fix
a customers bike for much less money than I would have managed without
this thread. I don't think it would have occurred to me to disassemble the
motor unit and take a look inside, I would have gone directly to "replace the unit"...Well Done!
 
#10 ·
Gee, now he's famous too :p Nice work bro :)

So you didn't buy the Special Suzuki Tool for the service plug (6-pin) ? :lol4: You'll get five ***** just for not doing that :lol:
 
#12 ·
You DON'T want to know how much it costs in my country. I work at a zuki dealer so I do use it, but I wouldn't buy it when everyone knows you don't need it.

Special tool, uhm *giggle*:lol4:
 
#15 · (Edited)
Wow...even messed up the details!

Don't use any old M3 screw. I spent about an hour at Lowe's trying to find a perfect fit. Rust and vibration are also concerns. Use #6-32 half inch stainless steel machine screws and secure them using nylock nuts.

You don't need the tamper proof torx unless you can't get it back on the shaft. And if you do have to remove the STPS from the STVA, when you put it back on, the test value in the manual is wrong. It's 1.6kOhms, not 0.6kOhms.
 
#16 ·
If you'd like, post a link to your how-to. We'll get you proper credit.

I seriously doubt D_Klein made any money on this.
 
#17 · (Edited)
I deleted my instructions from the original site when they sold out to VerticleScope and told me I had to pay for the privilege to post things like this. Now it's hosted on gixxernation.com. A forum owned by riders.
The original thread->FI - Secondary Throttle Hell : Suzuki GSX-R Motorcycle Forums: Gixxer.com
There's still enough content in the thread to show it was me. And if he didn't make money on it, he went about it the wrong way. I could have made way more money, but I gave people the truth about warranty. The ones who didn't trust a dealership, or just refused to wait sent them to me. I've done about 15 of them now.

The heart of the matter here is that everyone who can SHOULD take their bike to the dealership. Suzuki won't put money into fixing this weak interface until it costs them more in warranty work, than it will to solve it for good. If I (or someone else) fixes them, that's one less failure Suzuki knows about.
 
#26 ·
D_Kleins' last login was February 13th. He WAS quite a regular contributor around here. I don't remember why he said he was going to stop posting here.............Hmmn.....Oh yeah...I remember now....He said something about making a boatload of money off of some procedure he came up with to fix his bike. Even patented it too. I believe he spends his days catching the surf down in Cabo San Lucas or something like that. He strolls out to the mail box on the fifth of every month and collects some sort of royalty check or something like that. He invited me down there...I might go after the tourist season subsides in June.
 
#28 ·
Hmmm...
First off, Kudo's to D_Kline for putting together a package that meets the needs of many Gixxer riders out there. He did a reat job bringing a technical task down to the level where the average Joe can take a shot at.

Evidently he learned more than he bargained for. An old proverb came to mind reading this thread. Prov. 16:18 says that 'pride is before a crash, and a haughty spirit before stumbling.'
I think D was so pleased with the knowledge he gained about this mod, that he chose to bask in the limelight a bit, omitting the fact that some of his knowlege came with the help of others. However, this isn't the first time someone has done this, and won't be the last.
It looks as though D is suffering the 'crash' part of the proverb. Not in itself a bad thing when the lesson is learned.

Geek...you may be the originator of this fix, and good on you for doing YOUR homework. However, demanding the respect you want, isn't going to get you anywhere. The more you whine for it, the more it takes away from your skill, and undermines the very recognition you're after.

The other sad thing, is that your 'expose' has accomplished more harm than good, by relegating a good forum member to the back 40.

My hope is that you, Geek, realize that you're getting nowhere demanding respect, and also that D_Kline finds his way back to the forum, where we look forward to his humor and future contributions.

Atlas
 
#31 ·
It's not about the respect I gain. I could care less. It just rubs me the wrong way when someone else uses my work to earn respect for themselves. I called him out and suddenly, I'm the bad guy. Everyone here is giving him kudos for something he stole. Wonderful world we live in huh?

Oh, and if any of you take your's apart to follow his instructions only to find that the idle gear shaft is broken.... I can fix that too.
 
#32 ·
Enough's enough sir.

With all due respect. Your passion to prove yourself to be "The Man" in this matter has clouded your judgment, and quite frankly, we've been clowning you the whole time, and you've failed to pick up on it.

Again, your intense focus on proving yourself right has not allowed yourself to see the forest for the trees. Then you come back after a four month hiatus to post relevant (to you) responses in a dead thread...that quite frankly we were glad to be rid of you for your constant bizzitching about something that is inconsequential.

Props to you for creating the procedure. The community needs people like you, but the crusade you've been on is the wrong way to go about it. If it is recognition you craved. You got it. If nothing. We all recognize you as the clown who's crying about somebody taking his idea that he put up unprotected for inspection on a medium viewed by millions of people daily.

We'd be happy to welcome you into our community with open arms, and respect your posts and input as to help us fix our bikes. But....if the good stuff comes at the price of the quality of the eight or so posts you've contributed to the community.....eh.....I think we'll take a pass.

So...let it go...we all become friends and have a good time.

OR

Let it go....move on...do something good with your talents and be smarter about how you disseminate information next time.

OR

Continue to let it eat you up. Let that anger spill over into your personal life, and be miserable.
 
#35 ·
Easiest way to fix it

What I did one week ago. I called suzuki and complained about the problem since I needed a whole new throttle body that is 900 dollars for a secondary throttle valve actuator.. I got in touch with the suzuki rep and had Derry Cycle a suzuki dealer talk with the service there... And since it falls under some emissions thing. Suzuki paid for the entire thing 1200 dollars in the end, even though I had no warrenty or anything, they paid for it all.. I'd go that route got a whole new throttle body for free... and only took a week to get the parts and install them..