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  1. #1
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    water in engine. Suzuki Savage, 2001 LS

    Hello

    Suzuki Savage, 2001, LS

    This is rather incredible. I am sure you can imagine the shock on my face.

    Bike would not start. There was absolutely no gas in tank. Put gas in still no start. Removed oil plug and
    all of this water, gas, oil mix came out. It must have been 3 gallons.

    Buying gas and got water out of the gas nozzle. Used gas cans. Has anyone ever heard of
    this before. Unbelievable.

    Going to speak with owner of corporate Citgo station on Monday. I know the gas came from that station.

    My bike is stored in a locked garage. So some jerk could not have done this to me, as far as the locked gas
    cap is concerned.

    My questions are: what would be the procedure insure engine and carburetor are free of water moisture?

    Obviously, I will have to replace whatever it is that prevents gas from leaking into the oil. The water/gas
    mixture must have eroded that part.

    I do have a CD repair manual for my bike.

    To be safe, what other gaskets/seals/rubber rings should I replace?

    What about the carburetor? What needs to be done to it? Can I just drain it and blow dry?

    What about the clutch side? When I pulled my clutch handle in, it felt kind of soft.Will I have to replace any parts in the clutch housing assembly?

    I have an air compressor. Will taking off the oil side and the clutch side and blowing out using the air suffice?

    I am in a very rural area. No bike repair shops. So will have to do everything myself.

    Appreciate any advice.

    Cloud_man

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    I think your initial assumption is wrong and is leading you off on the wrong path.

    Since this is an air cooled bike, there is no radiator to worry about.
    BUT a bike that just sits with an empty tank can accumulate water in the tank.
    Water or gas in the tank can get into the crankcase if the carb float sticks AND the fuel shutoff also fails at the same time.
    If there is a vacuum operated fuel shutoff, a leaking diaphram in it can also let gas into the engine.

    Simply draining the crankcase a time or two after you get it running should get the water and gas out well enough.......along with the fresh oil that you just put in.

    SO.....the real problem then is to find out exactly what allowed the contents of the gas tank to drain down into the crankcase.
    (I think your blaming the gas station for any of this is probably WAY off base......probably).

    For that, you may have to find a trailer and haul it to a shop.
    Don't believe everything that you think.

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    Easy Rider, thank you for response.

    I was just on my way here to make a couple of changes which you have already clarified.

    I agree. What I thought was water was actually gas mixed with oil.

    I am thinking to replace the carburetor gasket. Doing so may prevent gas from tank from leaking to crankcase. Would you say that would be worth a try?

    What about the clutch side and the working parts in it? Are they typically affected by any gas present? When all oil drains out, oil in clutch side assembly drains out also.

    I think I am on right path now.

    OK. will put fresh oil in crankcase and drain out couple of times.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud_man View Post

    I am thinking to replace the carburetor gasket. Doing so may prevent gas from tank from leaking to crankcase. Would you say that would be worth a try?

    OK. will put fresh oil in crankcase and drain out couple of times.
    Listen I mean no dis-respect here but I don't think you have a good enough basic understanding of how gas engines work to be DOING ANYTHING TO TRY AND FIX THE PROBLEM.

    There is no "gasket" in the carb that will cause gas to drain from the tank to the engine.
    And the next fill of fresh oil needs to be accompanied by running the engine briefly to pick up the remaining contaminants.
    TO DO THAT, THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM MUST FIRST BE FOUND AND FIXED.
    Cycling fresh oil in and out of a dead engine does almost nothing; certainly nothing useful.
    Don't believe everything that you think.

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    EasyRider, found cause of problem.

    Took off gas tank. Reattached when I noticed small cut in smaller gas hose from pet cock.

    Location of that hose connection was right over crankcase. Thinking somehow gas from tank leaked into crankcase.

    I thought it was water because evidently oil reacts with gas to take gas smell away.

    Anyway, just wanted to share.

    I will ride a few miles and see how everything goes.

    Had to try finding problem myself. Nearest motorcycle shop tried to rip me off once.

    cloud_man

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloud_man View Post
    EasyRider, found cause of problem.
    I honestly doubt it.
    Pretty much everything you said in all your posts is wrong.....or stating the obvious.
    That smaller hose you refer to is a vacuum line and normally does NOT have any gas or water in it.

    And just because someone tried to scam you once doesn't mean that everybody everywhere in the world in that profession is dishonest.

    But I do wish you luck.
    I hope you do get it fixed.......before you trash it completely.
    Don't believe everything that you think.

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    Be aware that fuel contamination of the engine oil can strip bearings of any oil film. The oil changes you are going to do will need to be done without running the engine if possible....a simple way would be to disconnect the coils and or remove the plugs. Rotating the engine in this manner will ensure oil is distributed to all surfaces and bearings without the intense heat or shock of ignition.

    As Easy says the original problem will need to be fixed or the whole exercise will have been for nothing. Leaking/stuck carb floats/needle valves would be my first suspects....even a tiny bit of dirt would be sufficient to cause a leak....also check the needle points for any sign of wear...typically in the form of a tiny ring near the tips.

    Good luck
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    One of his erroneous assumptions is that gas in the oil does not smell like GAS; it DOES if there is more than a couple of ounces.
    Don't believe everything that you think.

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    Too many people fiddle when they shouldnt...hell even I did it when I was younger...learned by doing it too.
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