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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Y2K View Post
    I agree with others, too much bike for a beginner and being the bikes you are looking for as a project are a very reliable platform you'll find that any not in running shape are probably pretty well worn out if you can even find one.
    This. Seriously.
    Start smaller. You will be happy you did.
    NOBODY gets the bike they really want the first time.
    Don't believe everything that you think.

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  3. #17
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    Thanks for all the advice. As far as the MSC goes, that's how I got my endorsement...passed with flying colors. Now, as far as the BMW motorcycles, I just love them. I'm not very worried about "too much power" starting out but I'm also open to BMW 650. They just seem very hard to find. BMWs are notorious for going to 200,000 miles with a smile. I'm sure other bikes can too but BMWs are so well made. However, I'm not stuck on them so much that I won't consider other brands and work my way to a Beemer. My problem is finding anything at all that I can trust. Cycletrader bikes seem very overpriced and Craig's List seems to be where people get rid of their crap (hence the popular nickname of "Crap List"). I'm noticing that many people seem to price their bikes emotionally (attachment issues) rather than realistically. I've also noticed a lot of people on CL will end their ads with a stern threat of "no low-ball offers." Since I dont know where that line is drawn I don't feel like dealing with attitude so I pass over those. My guess is they don't want people talking them down in price because they want the dough to pay for their next big toy. In my 6 months experience of looking for a bike the most honest sellers seem to be the ones who just put their bikes in their front yards with a sign on it. They are also the hardest to find. To complicate my search further I don't know what to look for when checking a bike short of a test run so my trust level is low. Then there are the sellers who won't allow you to even touch the bike without my money in their hands first. I can understand that completely but it becomes a Mexican standoff because I'm not about to give a stranger my money and then take the bike for a test run just to return and find the seller has ran off with my money. Are you guys sensing some frustration here? I am. With all these rules of buying & selling a simple motorcycle I don't how one is ever sold at all. It seems I may just end up waiting until that "perfect bike" falls into my lap. By the way, Harley Davidson gives the MSC for $350 per person, but it's free for US veterans...like me. It's an awesome course and I would recommend it to anyone regardless of experience level. There were 3 "experienced" riders in my class, each with 20+ years of riding. Two of them failed miserably. Their worst enemy was their own arrogance. Thanks again for the replies. I was happily surprised to see that I had any at all.

  4. #18
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    That's cool that Harley is supporting our vets.

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  6. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rons1985 View Post
    Thanks for all the advice. As far as the MSC goes, that's how I got my endorsement...passed with flying colors. Now, as far as the BMW motorcycles, I just love them. I'm not very worried about "too much power" starting out but I'm also open to BMW 650. They just seem very hard to find. BMWs are notorious for going to 200,000 miles with a smile. I'm sure other bikes can too but BMWs are so well made. However, I'm not stuck on them so much that I won't consider other brands and work my way to a Beemer. My problem is finding anything at all that I can trust. Cycletrader bikes seem very overpriced and Craig's List seems to be where people get rid of their crap (hence the popular nickname of "Crap List"). I'm noticing that many people seem to price their bikes emotionally (attachment issues) rather than realistically. I've also noticed a lot of people on CL will end their ads with a stern threat of "no low-ball offers." Since I dont know where that line is drawn I don't feel like dealing with attitude so I pass over those. My guess is they don't want people talking them down in price because they want the dough to pay for their next big toy. In my 6 months experience of looking for a bike the most honest sellers seem to be the ones who just put their bikes in their front yards with a sign on it. They are also the hardest to find. To complicate my search further I don't know what to look for when checking a bike short of a test run so my trust level is low. Then there are the sellers who won't allow you to even touch the bike without my money in their hands first. I can understand that completely but it becomes a Mexican standoff because I'm not about to give a stranger my money and then take the bike for a test run just to return and find the seller has ran off with my money. Are you guys sensing some frustration here? I am. With all these rules of buying & selling a simple motorcycle I don't how one is ever sold at all. It seems I may just end up waiting until that "perfect bike" falls into my lap. By the way, Harley Davidson gives the MSC for $350 per person, but it's free for US veterans...like me. It's an awesome course and I would recommend it to anyone regardless of experience level. There were 3 "experienced" riders in my class, each with 20+ years of riding. Two of them failed miserably. Their worst enemy was their own arrogance. Thanks again for the replies. I was happily surprised to see that I had any at all.
    I guess you never thought of a Goldwing. IMO Honda built an imitation BMW. Nothing new, Ural is a imitation BMW. 2˘worth.

    tarheel

  7. #20
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    You didn't mention a used bike from a dealer.
    Like with cars, some dealers really are not thieves and scam artists.
    But some are.
    One advantage is most dealers will give you a 30 day warranty on a late model used.
    Don't believe everything that you think.

  8. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Rider View Post
    You didn't mention a used bike from a dealer.
    Like with cars, some dealers really are not thieves and scam artists.
    But some are.
    One advantage is most dealers will give you a 30 day warranty on a late model used.
    Yeah, I was thinking about the dealer route but my budget is so tight and I thought I would get more bike for my $$ on private sale. I have been looking at a few Gold Wings. I like them, especially the "trunk" space, but I was worried about it being heavy. Not that I plan on lifting it, mind you. That's the bike my wife wants me to get so she can be comfy and not "hanging on for dear life," as she put it. All the GW bikes I've seen are real POS's in my price range. Anyhow, I guess I'm just hoping to find someone who just doesn't ride any more and wants to sell their bike at a reasonable price. Like I said earlier, so far I've only seen bikes in really bad condition, or sellers who are about $600 to $900 too high because they want to upgrade and they won't budge on price. I kinda prefer liquid cooled and shaft drive, too. Most of my riding is going to be distance on country roads. Now and then I'll hit the highways just to get to the region I want to explore. As an example, my wife and I are thinking about going to W. Virginia just to wander around. Wherever we end up is where we go. We are explorers. That's a big reason why I want a BMW R1100/1150GS. They are great for distance, but if we happen to run out of paved road occasionally, we're good. So, except for taking it the 4 miles to work on occasion, I'll be doing mostly distance. Comfort and reliability is a big need.

  9. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rons1985 View Post
    Yeah, I was thinking about the dealer route but my budget is so tight ......
    Well you really should not let your "want" exceed your practical budget.
    Really, honestly.

    AND you need some one-up experience before you put the wife on the back of anything.

    Don't do something that you will be sorry for later, either financially or medically.

    Get your emotions under control and be practical.
    Don't believe everything that you think.

  10. #23
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    I have done many dumb things even quite recently I did a hail of boner.
    Anyways I have been married twice and promised myself I wouldn't make the same mistakes twice. That said whatever she wants she gets. Makes life easier. You know like when she talking at you and she thinks you're listening.

    tarheel

  11. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Rider View Post
    Well you really should not let your "want" exceed your practical budget.
    Really, honestly.

    AND you need some one-up experience before you put the wife on the back of anything.

    Don't do something that you will be sorry for later, either financially or medically.

    Get your emotions under control and be practical.
    i think my emotions are pretty solid, I just don't explain every detail. I have no intention of putting my wife on the back of any bike until my skills are solid. Having said that, I'm not going to buy a bike for just me and then two years later buy another bike so the wife can be comfy. I'm just buying the right bike first and will learn before she rides along. I was just trying to keep my last post shorter. I'm adventurous, not stupid. I do appreciate your concern, though...seriously. The Gold Wing does seem to serve my needs well, though. I found one at a great price, and '83 I think, but the seller said it needs brake pads and a head gasket. The latter sounds like an expensive fix to me but what scared me most is the seller said he "thinks" it needs one. I would have to pay for troubleshooting on top of repairs. I guess I'll just keep looking.

  12. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rons1985 View Post
    I'm not going to buy a bike for just me and then two years later buy another bike so the wife can be comfy.
    And that is EXACTLY what I am suggesting; well almost.

    If your are careful and get an older smaller bike in excellent shape at a good price then you should be able to sell it or trade it in about a year for near to what you paid.
    This gives you an additional year to save up and pay more cash for the next bigger bike.

    And I am telling you from near to 50 years of experience, those who INSIST that they can find the perfect bike the first time end up being wrong about 90% of the time.

    But you are, of course, free to completely ignore that advice is you choose.

    You are doing one thing right: Any time a seller says:"It only needs.......(anything)", walk away. If it really was easy and cheap it would be fixed already.
    And ask point blank if there is anything wrong with the bike. People forget to mention things but most won't outright lie.

    Lastly, please DO go back and read previous posts about "my first bike" to get a general feel for the advice given.......from a LOT of experienced riders.
    Last edited by Easy Rider; 03-16-2016 at 11:10 AM.
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  13. #26
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    Well, folks, I've made an executive decision about a bike. I found a Honda in reasonably good shape for the year (1985). I forget the model but it runs fine, has a few very minor leaks from old seals, and a dead battery (it starts with a jump). Asking price was $650 but seller agreed to $500. He didn't get the leaks fixed because they are so minor, and because he bought a new bike and use didn't feel like messing with it any more. I called my bike shop and they said it would take about $150 to replace seals and do a basic tuneup, including brake check. And another $65 for a battery. I actually asked the guy if would take it to a bike shop near him and allow me to call them to see what they found...he did. They verified that the leaks were just old seals and a bad radiator cap, but the tires were "ok" but should be replaced due to age, not tread. So it's a done deal. I'm picking it up tomorrow and trailer'ing it back home (neither me nor my wife want to drive the NJ turnpike with my limited experience). I think I should be able to get about $900 for it once it get it fixed/tuned up and new tires. I'll keep it for 2 years and then trade into my Beemer. I just wanted to share that with you. Thanks again for the advice.

  14. #27
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    And I'm sure pix will be posted as soon as you get it home.
    If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance,Baffle 'em with Bulls!!t!

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  15. #28
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    Good deal, enjoy.

  16. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rons1985 View Post
    but the tires were "ok" but should be replaced due to age, not tread.

    Great news.
    Exactly how old are the tires ?
    If they are over 5 years old, they MUST be replaced.......because old tires tend to fly apart unexpectedly.
    If they are that old, you should not use them for anything over 30 mph while practicing out of traffic.
    Don't believe everything that you think.


 
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