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    Cold Starting....Suzuki Katana 600

    I am trying to start my 95 Katana 600 up from winter storage. I put gas stabilizer in it back in the fall and put it up for the winter, I tried to start it this weekend about 30 5 degrees farenheit. It turned over and backfired alot, but I can't get it to catch...I sprayed starting fluid in the air intake and it started to start but not quite. I tried push starting it, but too icy for the back wheel to catch the ground...almost went down. So now the batery is dead on the charger now and still not started, I got my 82 honda to start right up yesterdaay, but the kat wont start up any sugestions would be great

    Thanks

    Jason

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    Stored inside or out ?

    If not stored in heated space my guess would be that moisture in your fuel might have frozen and is blocking some part of your fuel line.

    When you put in the stabilizer did you keep it running long enough for the product to properly mix with the fuel and make it through the whole fuel line to the carbs ?.

    Might try some gasline antifreeze

    Yadda yadda yadda, whatever, they ain't going to listen anyway.

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    Stored in a garage no heat.

    Let it run 5 minutes to circulate stabilizer in the fall

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    There's a good chance that your plugs are fouled. Replace them (or clean them) and try it again.
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    Plugs were changed in August last year...could that be a problem if they are that new?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankerboy74
    Plugs were changed in August last year...could that be a problem if they are that new?
    Yes, if they were fouled by too much gas etc. Last time that you ran it, did you let it warm up completely, or did you just start it up for a short time and then shut it off?
    If you didn't let it warm up completely, that would be exactly what I did to mine a couple months ago. When I went back to start it, all it would do is backfire loudly. New plugs cleared it up. I have also heard that taking the plugs out and drying them out can fix it also.
    1994 Kawasaki ZX-6E

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    Thanks I will try that. Last time I ran it was in the fall to get the stabilizer through the carbs, but I have been very busy remodling my house this winter and I guess I just forgot to go out there and start it. So now I have to pay the piper. I will try that this weekend see it I can get it going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankerboy74
    Thanks I will try that. Last time I ran it was in the fall to get the stabilizer through the carbs, but I have been very busy remodling my house this winter and I guess I just forgot to go out there and start it. So now I have to pay the piper. I will try that this weekend see it I can get it going.

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    Jason
    Actually, you shouldn't start it unless you're going to have the time to ride it. Otherwise, you get moisture in the engine and possibly foul the plugs etc. Mine sits, with battery removed, until it is time to ride.
    1994 Kawasaki ZX-6E

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    Mine sits too, on stands so the tires are not touching the floor. battery out and plastic cleaned and taken off the bike. chain cleaned and everything. Then I don't touch it until time to ride. Just change the oil, lube chain, and your off. I do drool while looking at it all winter though.....

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    mine is up on the stand and on ply wood too, but I thought you were supposed to start them like once a month in the winter to keep them good for the summer. no? So if I pull the plugs and change them in the spring, it should fire right up correct, or am i gonna have to do the carbs now...I so hate doing the carbs. Maybe I will just take it out and ride it on the ice. I can not take the snow anymore. When will it ever end. Lets pray to god or alah or who ever is willing to stop the damn snow for us so we can get our bikes out and cruise down the interstate.

    Oh well I guess I will just have to wait...I just wanted to hear the roar again...I am addicted to exhaust fumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankerboy74
    mine is up on the stand and on ply wood too, but I thought you were supposed to start them like once a month in the winter to keep them good for the summer. no? So if I pull the plugs and change them in the spring, it should fire right up correct, or am i gonna have to do the carbs now...I so hate doing the carbs. Maybe I will just take it out and ride it on the ice. I can not take the snow anymore. When will it ever end. Lets pray to god or alah or who ever is willing to stop the damn snow for us so we can get our bikes out and cruise down the interstate.

    Oh well I guess I will just have to wait...I just wanted to hear the roar again...I am addicted to exhaust fumes.
    No, you shouldn't start it once a month. That is hard on the engine and does very little if anything for the battery. It is hard on the engine because if you start it and don't get it warmed up completely, excessive moisture will get into the oil and that's a very bad thing.

    One thing that you should do is top off the charge on your battery every month. If you don't have a charger, I highly recommend purchasing one. They're relatively inexpensive and come in handy.
    1994 Kawasaki ZX-6E

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    Yeah I have the battery on a trickle , okay I had it on the charger yesterday, after I drained it trying to get it started. but I guess I will just let it sit a few more weeks....maybe the oil I left in it is to thick cuz of the cold....I am praying I don't have to do the carbs....I will go get new plugs this weekend after I test them...will that cause any damage to test them on the engine block to check for spark...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bankerboy74
    Yeah I have the battery on a trickle , okay I had it on the charger yesterday, after I drained it trying to get it started. but I guess I will just let it sit a few more weeks....maybe the oil I left in it is to thick cuz of the cold....I am praying I don't have to do the carbs....I will go get new plugs this weekend after I test them...will that cause any damage to test them on the engine block to check for spark...?
    I usually wouldn't bother testing the plugs. I know when mine were fouled, it was obvious when I pulled them out. Have you pulled them yet to see what they look like?

    Also, if you have been starting your bike monthly and only running it for a short time, I'd say there's a good chance those plugs have been fouled by now. If you pull the plugs and they look like crap, just buy new ones and wait till spring. If you do decide to start it now, make sure it gets completely warmed up before shutting it down.

    Yousaid earlier that the bike backfired. Did it backfire out the exhaust? If so, it is quite likely the plugs.
    1994 Kawasaki ZX-6E

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    I agree with pitbull about the backfire.

    When I brought the machine and asked the dealer to start it up it backfired. so he changed the plugs and it started instantly.

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    A lot of people think that starting an engine every week or month is going to keep their engines in good shape. This is completly wrong.

    Pitbull is right regarding moisture buil up if you don't let it warm up completly and some engines will never reach normal operating temps just idling, especially if the ambient temp is cold.

    Wifes Corolla for instance won't hit normal temps until driven several miles even if left idling for 30 minutes ( something we do up north to deice the car ).

    Once you shut off the engine all the oil coating the internals starts to run down to the sump, my info says that in about three to four days the oil has completely run off the parts and that starting it then would cause the equivalent of 500 miles of wear until the oil recoats the parts. Staring it once every month for 6 months would cause 3,000 miles of wear on the engine and every week would come out to 2,000 miles per month or 12,000 miles of wear in a six month period.

    Sparkplugs provide spark to ignite the fuel, but they too must reach optimum temps to completely burn off oil and fuel residue if not fouling is pretty much garanteed. Two stroke dirtbikes owners can ruin a plug by fouling everytime out in some cases if they don't ride them hard enough or use a plug that's HOT enough.

    Best bet is to leave well enough alone until you are ready to ride it regularly. When starting it for the first time of the season, pull the plugs and check them. If they look okay then they probably are, but then again they're not that expensive so why not play it safe. I cut the fuel to the carbs and turn the engine over with the plugs out a couple of times in order to try and recoat the internals with oil ( it is best to ground the plugs to the engine when doing this, especially with fuel injected bikes ), I then reinstall the plugs which gives the oil a chance to run a little on the parts then open the fuel and fire it up.

    BTW oil does get thicker as it gets colder but temps of around 30 degrees f shouldn't make it thick enough to hamper engine startup, believe me I know about operating engines in the cold. Testing the plugs on engine block shouldn't hurt anything.

    I know that this will seem obvious but...... Did you check that you still have gas in the tank, I had a defective vent cap on a snowmobile and although I had stored it with a full tank with stabiliser, after trying to start it for several hours my wife says to me "Is there any gas in it" of course there is I answer all bothered by her comment, as I take the cap off to prove that I'm not an idiot, I am hit with the realisation that all the fuel had evaporated.

    Yadda yadda yadda, whatever, they ain't going to listen anyway.


 
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