Okay so here is a question, My son has recently purchased another brand of motorcycle yes it is one of those 600RR's and we went and picked it up in the pickup to bring it home. Didn't wish to ride the 70 miles at 40 degrees, anyway he rode it twenty miles and brought it back to the dealer before we left for home to have the oil changed. Just wondering if that would be a good idea on any bike? I can see the advantages. But wonder if there is a reason they say to go 600 miles on it. I am replacing my Yamaha 750 Maxim which I will sell to someone I hope and am getting an S83 as my wife has decided riding with me is okay now, and wonder if I should do the same thing.
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i can see a logic in doing a quick oil change....there is a lot of loose metal that can get into the oil when it is furst run...but they always say 500 miles or so is the time to do it. i cant see it HURTING the bike at all...just the wallet.
at 600 miles you take it in for oil change, lube, check valves, fuel lines, brake lines, etc etc and that can cost anywhere from 80-250 bux depending on the dealer and what they actually do...i just spent 200 on my 600 mile service. it is the most important service you do to your bike
welcome to the boards and hope you wind up with a Suzuki!
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at 600 miles you take it in for oil change, lube, check valves, fuel lines, brake lines, etc etc and that can cost anywhere from 80-250 bux depending on the dealer and what they actually do...i just spent 200 on my 600 mile service. it is the most important service you do to your bike
welcome to the boards and hope you wind up with a Suzuki!
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Oh the S83 is a done deal. I am picking it up April 16th you know when the cold is definetly gone pretty much anyway. The dealer already has it still in the crate and the deposit was paid says sold on it so am just trying to be patient but the 76 degree Saturday kind of made me anxious...When I pick it up I will see what the 600 mile service is. They sell an item called pit pass that takes care of all the services for 3 years(not 36,000 miles just 3 years) and I think on the 600RR it was $500 so will check and see what the 600 mile service costs...
Total waste of money. The machined tolerances on a new motor are very tight, so it shreds a lot of metal for the first few hundred miles, but it does so slowly and the particles are trapped by the oil filter. So changing the oil before the recommended 600 miles does you no good at all, as the motor is still shedding metal, and the oil will be no cleaner when it comes out of the new filter as it was when it came out of the 20-mile filter. You still need to change the oil and filter at 600 miles.
I recommend 100 miles for the 1st change, with new filter. Then at 500, with new filter. Thereafter, dictated by the type of oil you use, but not necessarily a filter change each time after that. I believe that the engine oil filter will successfully contain the minimal metal particles from break-in after the 1st 500 miles. After that, I change out dino every 1000 miles & syn at 2000 or 3000, depending on type of riding. It may be conservative, but the old saying, "the end depends upon the beginning" holds true in engines as well.
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I agree! You are better off changing the filter and not the oil, which is what long-life synthetics like Amsoil recommend.Superbird said:
The best thing to do is simply follow the manufacturer's recommendations for break in. They built the darn thing, and have a vested interest in it not blowing up until the warrantee is over
I change my oil and filter every 5000 miles, which is actually more frequently than Suzuki recommends, but I ride hard. I always use 10W-40 motorcycle oil (a semi-synthetic blend), as modern car oil has additives that are too slippery and will make the wet clutch slip. My last Intruder 800 went 130,000+ trouble free miles, never smoked, and never used a drop of oil between oil changes. I also added a magnetic oil drain plug to catch metal shavings. The new Intruder has racked up 20,000 miles just since October, and so far so good.
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Yep Oil and Filter everytime. I try to change them at 3000 miles, due to hard canyon riding. For cruising I'd run it out to 5000. Same oil too! 10/40 semi. That and a chain service every 500 miles when ever possible seems to keep the little Gixxer happy!
Some Chevron Techtrolene a couple times a year gives the fuel system a good cleaning too. Almost forgot, check and clean (K&N) the air filter everyother oil change, depends on your ride terrain. I seem to end up Dual Sportin a little on my exploring new road rides, so it gets dirty fast!
Some Chevron Techtrolene a couple times a year gives the fuel system a good cleaning too. Almost forgot, check and clean (K&N) the air filter everyother oil change, depends on your ride terrain. I seem to end up Dual Sportin a little on my exploring new road rides, so it gets dirty fast!
Oh yes, when it is pollen season here in Atlanta those air filters clog up quick! No chain service though: I have shaft drive, so it takes 5 minutes to drain and change the drive lube every 25,000 miles or so.
OBTW, I will not be getting to Vegas + LA until at least the last week in April, maybe not until June, due to a big reorganization at work. Bummer...but I'll buy you a beer when I get out that way
OBTW, I will not be getting to Vegas + LA until at least the last week in April, maybe not until June, due to a big reorganization at work. Bummer...but I'll buy you a beer when I get out that way
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No problem. I'll still be recovering from my Saddle Sore 1000 and Bun Burner 1500! :mrgreen:
There is a reason why 600 miles was selected....
The manufacturers recognize that there is a break-in period, when gears and other parts mesh, and metal filings are created as everything wears in. It is a great idea to change out the oil early, to remove these filings. I can remember changing out a Honda Four Trax fourwheeler early on, and it has one of those "internal" filters that fit in a housing in the engine. There was a 1/2 teaspoon of fine filings in that thing...
Anyways, why 600 Miles?? That one is easy. All out metric bikes are, well, metric. And the engineers and designers settled on a nice round number like 1000 km as a good general figure for that first oil change.
When importing the bikes to the US, they did a simple conversion. 1000 km = 620 odd miles. 620 is kinda odd, so they made it an even 600..........
The manufacturers recognize that there is a break-in period, when gears and other parts mesh, and metal filings are created as everything wears in. It is a great idea to change out the oil early, to remove these filings. I can remember changing out a Honda Four Trax fourwheeler early on, and it has one of those "internal" filters that fit in a housing in the engine. There was a 1/2 teaspoon of fine filings in that thing...
Anyways, why 600 Miles?? That one is easy. All out metric bikes are, well, metric. And the engineers and designers settled on a nice round number like 1000 km as a good general figure for that first oil change.
When importing the bikes to the US, they did a simple conversion. 1000 km = 620 odd miles. 620 is kinda odd, so they made it an even 600..........
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