[R3VO3VOM]

I have been searching the threads on the debaffling and drilling the baffles and still have a couple questions that arent answered very clearly or just answered by one person and would like some more reassurance on the questions

1: If you completely debaffle the exhaust do you have to get a custom computer chip to adjust fuel / air ratio?

2: Do you need a chip to be flashed if you just get a K&N air filter?

3: Do you need a chip if you drill aproxiamately 3 holes in each baffle? or will you be running safe without it?

4: Ive read you don't need a chip if you just drill the baffles but want to be reassured cause Ive only seen one person answer this question also would you need to do the chip if you drilled and picked up a K&N filter together?

5: Does doing anything to the baffles do anything to the Warranty with suzuki also any power gain numbers or anything to that sort.

6: One more anyone have sound clips of a c50 debaffled or with drilled baffles?

I've tried to list all the questions I thought were important not only to me but others that are trying to figure the same thing out so If you know the answer to any of these please help us newbie's out. I appreciatte the time for reading and answering thanks in advance.

 

[v0lusia]

1: If you completely debaffle the exhaust do you have to get a custom computer chip to adjust fuel / air ratio?
Probably not, the most restrictive part of the pipes is right where the pipes leave the engine.
2: Do you need a chip to be flashed if you just get a K&N air filter?
Yes, these bikes run lean from the factory and adding a K&N will make them run leaner. Running too lean can burn the valves and cause major engine damage.

3: Do you need a chip if you drill aproxiamately 3 holes in each baffle? or will you be running safe without it?
No, for the same reason stated in #1

4: Ive read you don't need a chip if you just drill the baffles but want to be reassured cause Ive only seen one person answer this question also would you need to do the chip if you drilled and picked up a K&N filter together?
K&N(or UniFilter) = yes to reprogramming

5: Does doing anything to the baffles do anything to the Warranty with suzuki also any power gain numbers or anything to that sort.
Debaffling will PROBABLY not give you enough of a power increase that you would even notice. Your pipe warrenty will be void, your engine warrenty could be arguable. If you do anything that changes the factory settings they could argue that caused the problem.

6: One more anyone have sound clips of a c50 debaffled or with drilled baffles?
The sounds will be the same as the Volusia sounds (same pipes, same motor) there some sound files available if you search volusiariders.com for "sound files" you should find some links.

At the bottom of this page there are several sound files with various pipes
http://www.volusiagateway.us/documentvault/documentvault.html

 

[R3VO3VOM]

Thanks again Volusia for the help.....Just curious is this the general concensus on these questions or does anyone disagree??

 

[scarygt]

My C50 was strangely running rich from the factory. I put a set of Vance and Hines Straight shots (drag pipes) on and it is still running kind of rich. I'm probably going to add a K&N and see if it leans it out any. I was going to buy a Cobra FI2000 but the thing runs fine. I'm also thinking about taking my baffles out of the VNH pipes to see if that leans it out any. My exhaust makes some black smoke at wide open throttle and from my background (cars) I'm assuming that is a rich air/fuel mixture.

What are your thoughts Volusia?

Thanks, Ralph

 

[v0lusia]

Sounds rich... another quickie test is if you put your hand near the exhust at idle, then does your hand smell like gas?

The only sure way is to pull the plugs and check....if they are black and sooty, then you are running rich.

Black = too rich
White = too lean
Tan = good

 

[v0lusia]

Thinking about it.... I would be suprised it came from the factory too rich, they set them up lean to meet emission control standards. It's possible but that would be the first one I've heard of. If you do go for the K&N I would also bite the bullet for the FI2000 just to avoid any future engine damage. (I'd think about it even without the K&N).

 

[Uncle Bob]

I would have it checked by the dealer while it's still on warranty. As mentioned these things are usually lean. The smoke may not be from unburned gaz but rather oil which could spell trouble if it's not taken care of.

Removing and/or drilling the baffles will not affect the air/fuel ratio. You OEM exhaust is actually two pipes, one smaller inside pipe that is the actual exhaust and the outer chrome pipe that is cosmetic, the space between the two is what quiets the exhaust hence a muffler. Drilling or removing the baffles will not change the flow through the actual exhaust pipe just reduce the sound insulation created by the double pipes.

Before trying one thing or another I would get the thing looked at, maybe you have a problem with your FI, it is a new device on the C50 and maybe some are defective.

Power commander or Cobra fuel ajustement units can only fool the FI into making the bike richer, they cannot make the bike leaner than factory settings.

Of course one easy trick to see if it is rich would be to remove your air filter and see if it runs better without ( as a diagnostic test only, don't ride without a filter for extended periods ).

And lastly, on a personal note.

Don't drill your baffles or remove them !
This accomplishes nothing in terms of performance !
It just fuels arguments for bike haters to have more laws passed that infringe on our rights !
And in my opinion is just childish, kind of like when we were kids and attached cards or balloons to the spokes of our bikes !
If you were my neighbor your sidestand would start showing signs of folding up all by itself!

 

[v0lusia]

:smile: I run completely stock pipes.... But you can't make me remove the cards from my spokes :smile:

As a matter of fact I was at a light the other day when a Harley guy (driving his SUV cause it was drizzling) pulled up next to me at a light and said "Hey, I ride too, nice bike, love those cards did ya get them at the dealer?" :b-rock: :lol:

Just kidding Harley owners....

 

[R3VO3VOM]

Well, for those of you who are curious maybe I am the only one that was out of the loop but others have said that drilling holes does not void the warranty this is an email I sent to the local dealer on the baffle situation....obviously he is not familiar with the c50 saying we should rejet the carbs but anyways just an fyi if anyone was interested


Q: Sean,

Will drilling holes or removing the baffle from the stock exhaust void
the 1 year warranty with Suzuki? Also will it make the bike run lean?
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I just recently bought
a Suzuki c50 from you guys.


A: Yes, technically it does void warranty, but how would Suzuki know. We should
put the bike on the ega machine to fine tune the carbs.

Sean

 

[themeatmanlandry]

How would Suzuki know? Er . . . sounds like warranty fraud to me.

Adjust the carbs? It's EFI? That must be some dealer. :roll:

Thanks for the extra noise.

 

[R3VO3VOM]

How would Suzuki know? Er . . . sounds like warranty fraud to me.

Adjust the carbs? It's EFI? That must be some dealer. :roll:

Thanks for the extra noise.

Never said I was going to do it...It sure does sound suspicious to me I think I am just going to go the expensive route and buy pipes and a chip since I will want to do more mods down the road...

 

[Uncle Bob]

Never said I was going to do it...It sure does sound suspicious to me I think I am just going to go the expensive route and buy pipes and a chip since I will want to do more mods down the road...

Sounds like a plan to me but I would look into the symptoms you are having resembling a rich condition before doing anything further.

I would just enjoy the bike as is for the first year while the warranty is still in effect, concentrate on getting to know the bike and improving your skills, that'll make the bike a lot faster than any add ons you could spend money on.

 

[v0lusia]

.....concentrate on getting to know the bike and improving your skills, that'll make the bike a lot faster than any add ons you could spend money on.

and safer......


Sounds just like something I would say.... When people come to me becuase they want to buy a faster computer or gadget I usually ask if they can type. For about 50% of the people the best money they can spend is on a typing class. :roll:

 

[Uncle Bob]

and safer......


Sounds just like something I would say.... When people come to me becuase they want to buy a faster computer or gadget I usually ask if they can type. For about 50% of the people the best money they can spend is on a typing class. :roll:

And don't forget to sign up for TSF and wear gear at all times !

 

[mr_resistible]

My C50 ran a bit rich from the factory too. And I never saw it as a problem. It ran strong, smooth, and got about 50mpg. I first noticed it when I had my friend test drive it for me. And every time he acelerated really hard you could see a steady stream of dark grey exhaust. Not like a deisel but it was noticable. It would also puff a little at idle when you first fire it up. It's hardley noticible unless the sun hit it just right. I'm sure it only has to do with the FI. There is nothing wrong with the bike. The ECU mixes fuel a little differently than a carburator. When you nail it, its probalby dumping more fuel than it needs at the moment and once the air flow catches up its fine. I never noticed it smoking any other time.

There are a lot of factors to deal with and every situation is different. (elevation and weather for example) Sometimes you just have to do it and see what happens. Then post your findings.

 

[scarygt]

My C50 ran a bit rich from the factory too. And I never saw it as a problem. It ran strong, smooth, and got about 50mpg. I first noticed it when I had my friend test drive it for me. And every time he acelerated really hard you could see a steady stream of dark grey exhaust. Not like a deisel but it was noticable. It would also puff a little at idle when you first fire it up. It's hardley noticible unless the sun hit it just right. I'm sure it only has to do with the FI. There is nothing wrong with the bike. The ECU mixes fuel a little differently than a carburator. When you nail it, its probalby dumping more fuel than it needs at the moment and once the air flow catches up its fine. I never noticed it smoking any other time.

There are a lot of factors to deal with and every situation is different. (elevation and weather for example) Sometimes you just have to do it and see what happens. Then post your findings.

Exactly! My service guy didn't seem to have an issue with my rich condition.. and he told me to put the pipes on and see how it runs. It is still a tiny bit rich (only under wot) but the bike seems to run good and strong. It idles good, pulls hard, and sounds bad ***! I didn't really add these pipes for the performance... I wanted the sound. If I want to go fast then I'll go drive my 600 hp Mustang around the block!

Ralph

 

[mr_resistible]

When you pipe the C50's they do sound Bad*** huh? I love running it up to about 70 on a downhill slope and letting off and listen to it cackle. Or next time your at a stop light and the car next to you has the windows down. Snap the throttle real quick and watch them jump.

 

[scarygt]

Mr. Resistible, I blip the throttle on every down shift.. and then sometimes I just blip it for blipping sake of it! LOL

 

[mr_resistible]

**Blip** Yeah! :bluethum: