[Just5cents]

If u havent noticed by now suzuki has rebuilt there bikes! First was the GSXR 1000 then the GSXR 750 Then the 600. And now they say that the busa is next...do u think so?

 

[axel_2078]

It's a definite possiblilty and one that I hope comes to pass. The Hayabusa may be an outstanding machine, but I personally find it ugly in its appearance. A cosmetic makeover alone would do it wonders.

 

[gsxrjeffro]

I WOULD RATHER SEE THE RF MAKE A COMEBACK.. MAYBE A RF/BUSA SPORT TOURER??

 

[prekarious1]

It's a definite possiblilty and one that I hope comes to pass. The Hayabusa may be an outstanding machine, but I personally find it ugly in its appearance. A cosmetic makeover alone would do it wonders.

Unfortunately there is a reason for its looks. If you change the appearance then you end up screwing with the aerodynamics. The busa, though wider, presents less frontal face to wind resistance than the 1k. People have been saying its gonna change for the past couple of years, personally I don't really see it happening since sales are still good and it retains the high speed title (speed wars over for now remember). Although some of the new litre bikes are starting to push in the 1/4.

 

[Guest]

i can see them messing with the motor to make it accelerate faster, but still hold the speed record.

 

[prekarious1]

that is possible, and would be very welcome. Personally I think that if they do anything it would mainly be in the weight department. The busa could use a couple of weeks on Atkin's. The stock exhaust alone is 30lbs!

 

[ZX-10R Urza]

it's a heavy bike. You see the busa is ugly.....Until you get up close to one. Then you really start to like it. It still looks like a frog to me, but I like it. You know kawasaki has been doing remakes alot. New Z1000 new ZX-6R/RR new ZX-10R. Maybe a new ZX-12R than will give the new busa a run for its money? *hopfull*

 

[Guest]

the busa does need to go on the fatkins diet. and order some enzyte and get some balls. the 12r gives it a run for its money and the busa has 100 more cc's

 

[Uncle Bob]

Gee the busa's been around for years leading the pack and only now is the competition coming close to matching it. The Kwaks engine is better than the busa's but the package is still inferior. It'll take another couple of years before it's beaten unless the new Triumph cruiser beats Kawasaki to it.

 

[98G]

the busa does need to go on the fatkins diet. and order some enzyte and get some balls. the 12r gives it a run for its money and the busa has 100 more cc's

//I find it entertaining that 14 year old kids who don't ride a motorcycle develop such strong opinions on them.

//Kawasaki's engine is peakier. You have to spin it up to get all that power. Suzuki's engine has more mid range power = more practical power when you need it and it STILL goes faster (by a gnat's whisker) than the ZX12r.

//The old ZX11D's engine was not peaky. It made gobs of power throughout the rev range. In order to get close to the Hayabusa, Kawasaki had to run the 12r's engine in a higher state of tune. You could change the Hayabusa's engine to run with different valve timing and make it peakier, resulting is faster 1/4 mile times and faster top end speed at the cost of real world street performance. You'd have to spin it up to get that extra performance.

//I chose the Hayabusa based on midrange punch - useful when going down the highway at 60 mph in 6th gear and you want to pass that tractor trailer in the right lane in minimal time without downshifting.

//And by the way, my opinions are based upon personal experience, not what I read on the web or in some sport bike magazine's review.

98G

 

[Guest]

i like the busa better too. i didnt know that a busa is more practical though. i just knew that the busa has the capability to go faster, yet it doesnt.

 

[Uncle Bob]

Soad, what exactly do you mean when you say it has the ability to go faster but it doesn't. Doesn't being the fastest production vehicle on earth for the past several years not qualify as fast enough for you ?.

 

[Hoomgar]

The rumor is a major revamp for the 05 model. Several changes including 1400cc bore. Rumors, no facts yet. When I find an actual article I will post it.

 

[98G]

i like the busa better too. i didnt know that a busa is more practical though. i just knew that the busa has the capability to go faster, yet it doesnt.

///It's always a tradeoff between useful power down low in the rev range and total peak power at the top of the revrange. In other words, the wider your powerband is, the less peak power it will make, and the more peak power it makes, the more narrow the powerband is.

//For race engines, narrowness of the powerband isn't a concern, because you always select the gear that keeps you in the peak performance range.

//For street engines, it just isn't practical to go down the road in first gear at 60 mph(which would be the peak of the power band), so some tradeoff is needed.

//There's a tradeoff on the Hayabusa, but it doesn't concern engine performance. The engine is really all you could hope for, in box stock form: I can't pin it in first gear - I can only manage about 80% open and still short shift it as soon as it passes 8k rpm. .. The tradeoff on the Hayabusa is weight. Horsepower of the Hayabusa is on par with any of the liter bikes (within 5 hp or so) and torque is actually a bit higher than the literbikes (by a decent margin of 20% or so),, but it weighs 100 lbs more. This has a definite impact on cornering ability. It also makes for a more stable feel to the bike. The Hayabusa will handle a passenger better than any other cutting edge sportbike - torque helps. Riding position is also more comfortable on the Hayabusa - bars are a bit higher and pegs a bit lower.

//When I went bike shopping the last time around there were several bikes that made it to my final decision making process. They were the ZX12r, the Hayabusa, the ZZR1200, and the R1. Both the ZX12r and the R1 are peaky with a more aggressive riding position. They also won't take a passenger as well as the ZZR and the Hayabusa. Between the Hayabusa and the ZZR, the Hayabusa performs better, and cost was close enough to the same for that not to be an issue. But I really like the way the red R1 looks, so it came down to choosing between the Hayabusa and the R1. Practicality won out, and I got the Hayabusa. I suspect that on the street I couldn't corner an R1 any faster than I can the Hayabusa anyway. Limiting factor isn't the bike, but rather my margin for the unexpected.

//One other thing I'll mention is twitchiness of the controls. The Hayabusa is not as twitchy as most of your sportbikes. By no means am I saying go out and get one to learn on, but it is more forgiving than most.

98G

 

[98G]

The rumor is a major revamp for the 05 model. Several changes including 1400cc bore. Rumors, no facts yet. When I find an actual article I will post it.

//It would not surprise me a bit. 4 years or so seems to be the life expectancy of a design before it is revamped or superseded. I'd be willing to bet that instead of a higher tuned peakier engine, they just go with a bigger bore and keep all that midrange power....Probably chop 30-40 lbs off the weight too. While I'm wishing, let me request better stoppers, and just a slightly higher windshield.

98G

 

[Uncle Bob]

While I'm wishing, let me request better stoppers, and just a slightly higher windshield.

98G

How about a lower price also ?

 

[Guest]

Soad, what exactly do you mean when you say it has the ability to go faster but it doesn't. Doesn't being the fastest production vehicle on earth for the past several years not qualify as fast enough for you ?.

im just saying, why not make it faster. if nobody asked that question, there wouldnt be moto gp, nascar, nhra, or ihra. this is a wild guess, but im pretty sure that most hayabusa riders never took it to its limits, its so high up there.

 

[Guest]

and thanks alot for clarifying things for me 98g

 

[Uncle Bob]

I'm sure the designers are always looking at improving it but with this kind of vehicle it takes lots more power for marginal speed gains.

 

[prekarious1]

Majority of busa owners that I know have taken it up there atleast once. Some more than that. Right now we don't need the top end to be higher, but the acceleration on the way there could use some improvement so the litre bikes don't pass the busa up. Eventually the busa will no longer be the fastest machine out there, when that happens I will have to have 2 motorcycles for myself