You forget...we're americans...Ride-or-die said:
<<Cheech and Chong voice>> Training? We don't need no stinking training!! <<Cheech and Chong voice>>
:lol: 8)
It doesn't get better than today!!!
Temp is 81 with 45% humidity, not a cloud in the damn sky, the wind in my hair and face just crusing around for the hell of it (no helmet and jacket today). I took the long way home from Pep Boys, like the extra 10 mile long way home cause it's just so damn pretty out. And oh yeah the streets of Orlando are alive with bikers!! Can't wait to get up to Daytona Beach later on. It's gonna be like this for the next week, man I picked the best week to go on vacation!!!!
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<<Cheech and Chong voice>> Training? We don't need no stinking training!! <<Cheech and Chong voice>>
:lol: 8)
Perhaps I will get jumped on by both sides but here are my thoughts:
Nexus posted a happy thought "its a great day and I'm on vacation". He was probably hoping for some "you lucky dog you" responses but instead he got lambasted. So Nexus for what its worth, I hope you have a great vacation! Biketoberfest should be a lot of fun.
I think there is a lot of negative feedback on lack of gear/ wheelies/ stoppies/ stunts on this forum because they are all dangerous things. It is hard to sit back and not say anything to someone you've come to know (even if it is just on a forum) because you want them to be safe/ happy/ healthy. Given that, Nexus I think you're nuts not to wear gear given the risks and statistics. BUT I also think it is your choice not mine.
The only time I think we have a right to be militant about what others do/ don't do, is when it may harm other people. Things like going twice the speed limit on twistie roads where people live. Or pulling stunts on a crowded road. As I posted in the speed topic:
So do you know anyone who lives on a twistie road? Do you live on a twistie? Does your girlfriend/ friend/ mother/ grandmother? What happens when you fly along a 35 mph road at 70 mph and someone tries to pull into/out of their driveway? What happens to you? What happens to them?
I love speed and I love riding my motorcycle fast but I also love life. I would never forgive myself if I hurt someone just because I wanted to go a little faster. When I can ride fast and not endanger others, that's cool. But when riding fast means I might hurt someone, well that someone could be your grandmother or my mother or your best friend...to me, it's just not worth it.
I think in the end it is all about priorities -- what matters most? To me is about having fun but at the same time, doing no harm.
In the end, I think we all owe it to ourselves, our families, and those around us to be smart about the choices we make. Just my two cents.
Nexus posted a happy thought "its a great day and I'm on vacation". He was probably hoping for some "you lucky dog you" responses but instead he got lambasted. So Nexus for what its worth, I hope you have a great vacation! Biketoberfest should be a lot of fun.
I think there is a lot of negative feedback on lack of gear/ wheelies/ stoppies/ stunts on this forum because they are all dangerous things. It is hard to sit back and not say anything to someone you've come to know (even if it is just on a forum) because you want them to be safe/ happy/ healthy. Given that, Nexus I think you're nuts not to wear gear given the risks and statistics. BUT I also think it is your choice not mine.
The only time I think we have a right to be militant about what others do/ don't do, is when it may harm other people. Things like going twice the speed limit on twistie roads where people live. Or pulling stunts on a crowded road. As I posted in the speed topic:
So do you know anyone who lives on a twistie road? Do you live on a twistie? Does your girlfriend/ friend/ mother/ grandmother? What happens when you fly along a 35 mph road at 70 mph and someone tries to pull into/out of their driveway? What happens to you? What happens to them?
I love speed and I love riding my motorcycle fast but I also love life. I would never forgive myself if I hurt someone just because I wanted to go a little faster. When I can ride fast and not endanger others, that's cool. But when riding fast means I might hurt someone, well that someone could be your grandmother or my mother or your best friend...to me, it's just not worth it.
I think in the end it is all about priorities -- what matters most? To me is about having fun but at the same time, doing no harm.
In the end, I think we all owe it to ourselves, our families, and those around us to be smart about the choices we make. Just my two cents.
Last time I was in England was around 1980. And I was stunned at what you guys went through just to get a regular operators license, much less a motorcycle license. And how easily you could lose same.Ride-or-die said:i cant believe u can basically jump on a bike. over hear u have to basically for a full liscence ie not restricted you have to take what takes most people 5 days training, then a theory test and the a days practical test. u have a high accident rate?
Accident rates are like any other statistics. Figures don't lie, but liars figure. You can take certain parts of the actual data and reach dang near any conclusion you'd like to. Most insurance type goes will tell you it all comes around to number of miles travelled and number of vehicles on the road. Since that varies greatly across the US, I'd be hard pressed to say we're any worse or better than the EU.
But that's just my 2 cents.
I bet we've got quite a few guys here who would like to girly! :lol:Susan said:Perhaps I will get jumped on by both sides but here are my thoughts:
But...seriously...I agree with you as well. For the most part, we give people crap because we actually care and don't want anything bad to happen to someone...even if we haven't met them face to face.
i wanna come live in america, where the wonem are beautifull, zikigirl and u can just ride!!! but then u get shot if ur naughty where her u rust run. and u have the sunshine, and big straight roads and beautiful scenery. what are ur speed limits on various roads?
and u can just ride!!! but then u get shot if ur naughty where her u rust run. and u have the sunshine, and big straight roads and beautiful scenery. what are ur speed limits on various roads?For the most part, a nice, curvy road out in the sticks will be either 40 or 45 mph (64 or 72 kph). Some will be 50 or 55 (80 or 89 kph) We have 'suggested' speeds for the corners, but they are only suggestions (at least in Tennessee), not speed limits.Ride-or-die said:what are ur speed limits on various roads?
To answer your next question, I usually take corners around 2-3 times the posted 'suggestion,' depending on how well they estimated their "suggestion," whether or not I can see through the turn, how well I know the turn (the main thing), etc. REAL riders can take them at 4-5 times the posted suggestion, but REAL riders are for the most part smart riders, so they don't push it (just to give you an idea of what the turn might look like relative to it's "suggestion").
Our highways are usually 55 mph (89 kph), or 70 mph (113 kph). Around town, roads are usually 30 mph (48 kph).
How does that compare to yours?
yeah thats similar to us, motorways (freeways) are 70mph, single carriage ways are 60mph, the kinda twisties in the sticks are 60mph and only the danger spot corners have reccomended limits on them and then residential areas are 30mph.
but then unlike you our road quality is poor and we have no big open roads, police are everywhere and so are speed cameras, unless u hit the twisties, which is more fun than straight lines where there are no cameras and the police dont bother to chase a bike cos we have no motrocycle unit near us anymore only cars.
we also ofter use private runways to hold drag competitions
but then unlike you our road quality is poor and we have no big open roads, police are everywhere and so are speed cameras, unless u hit the twisties, which is more fun than straight lines where there are no cameras and the police dont bother to chase a bike cos we have no motrocycle unit near us anymore only cars.
we also ofter use private runways to hold drag competitions
Just to set the record straight ... we are not against stunters! We (if I may speak for the majority of the 'regulars' around here) are opposed to irresponsbile riding on public roads. If you want to do wheelies and stoppies, then wear your gear, and do them on a track or somewhere else where you aren't putting anyone else at risk. There is nothing wrong with takingRide-or-die said:... i just dont preach to people and this web site is a bit againts stunters. ...
calculated risks, we all do that at one time or another.
But, writing an irresponsbile post is a sure-fire way to get flamed. We want this forum to be a source of information (and entertainment) ... a kind of public service.
[inspiron stepping down off his soapbox again]
yeah thats why i joined the forum, cos i own a suzuki and want to talk to others to help them with probs or get help, i was just sticking up for a fellow rider. i learn my stunts on a public road yes but one most people dont even know exists, its a safe place and a good one
Flag on the post!! Ah that's gonna be a 15 yard penelty for missquoting the great American Mel Brooks classic "Blazing Saddles!"SuzukiGirl1 said:You forget...we're americans...
<<Cheech and Chong voice>> Training? We don't need no stinking training!! <<Cheech and Chong voice>>
:lol: 8)
Thanks for the laugh! :lol: :lol: :lol:SuzukiGirl1 said:I bet we've got quite a few guys here who would like to girly! :lol:Susan said:Perhaps I will get jumped on by both sides but here are my thoughts:
If this is what you do to people that you care for, my sympathy goes out to the ones you've met and love.SuzukiGirl1 said:But...seriously...I agree with you as well. For the most part, we give people crap because we actually care and don't want anything bad to happen to someone...even if we haven't met them face to face.
But some how those that wish I crash and get head to toe road rash and become a quad paraplegic like Chris Reeves and a become a burden to my family of cats just so they can tell me at that point "We told you So!!" with joyfull glee, I don't think they echo your sentiment SG1. But hey I know tough love and in short life is pain, anyone telling you differently is selling you something.
Well, I've seen these debates in other motorcycle forums over gear.
For those who think that they have a right to ride in shorts and flip flops I have one question.
How wuld you feel, if, (after you go down in no gear) - the paramedics and ER staff refused you treatment because you didn't avail yourself of the most basic opportunity to minimise said injuries?
Just curious to see what the thoughts are on that.
For those who think that they have a right to ride in shorts and flip flops I have one question.
How wuld you feel, if, (after you go down in no gear) - the paramedics and ER staff refused you treatment because you didn't avail yourself of the most basic opportunity to minimise said injuries?
Just curious to see what the thoughts are on that.
As they would refuse to treat drunk drivers, un restrained drivers, driver with suspened license?? Got your answer right hear, Morgan, Colling and Gilbert - For The PeopleHardware said:Well, I've seen these debates in other motorcycle forums over gear.
For those who think that they have a right to ride in shorts and flip flops I have one question.
How wuld you feel, if, (after you go down in no gear) - the paramedics and ER staff refused you treatment because you didn't avail yourself of the most basic opportunity to minimise said injuries?
Just curious to see what the thoughts are on that.
Next you'll ask if hospitals should refuse care if you don't have insurance!!
Lastly gear, except for helmets in 20 states, isn't required by the DOT, AMA or your insurance company. And DON'T tell you think they should be involved with that area.
Excellent post Susan. Thank you.
Seems to be human nature to become attached to specific views. How does
one avoid that, by looking at things with a very open mind from many different
perspectives. I mean sure, everyone makes their own decisions, but to ignore the
experience of others when it's readily available is somewhat foolhardy. I've lost
count of the number of postings on this site and others from folks who have gone down
hard without gear, and not surprisingly, everyone of them became an advocate of
riding with gear. For those want to learn this firsthand, that's fine to. Personally I
value my life (or even my skin) much more than my ego.
-Sparrow
Seems to be human nature to become attached to specific views. How does
one avoid that, by looking at things with a very open mind from many different
perspectives. I mean sure, everyone makes their own decisions, but to ignore the
experience of others when it's readily available is somewhat foolhardy. I've lost
count of the number of postings on this site and others from folks who have gone down
hard without gear, and not surprisingly, everyone of them became an advocate of
riding with gear. For those want to learn this firsthand, that's fine to. Personally I
value my life (or even my skin) much more than my ego.
-Sparrow
I believe the question was "what do you think" as opposed to "is it legal."Nexus242 said:As they would refuse to treat drunk drivers, un restrained drivers, driver with suspened license?? Got your answer right hear, Morgan, Colling and Gilbert - For The PeopleHardware said:Well, I've seen these debates in other motorcycle forums over gear.
For those who think that they have a right to ride in shorts and flip flops I have one question.
How wuld you feel, if, (after you go down in no gear) - the paramedics and ER staff refused you treatment because you didn't avail yourself of the most basic opportunity to minimise said injuries?
Just curious to see what the thoughts are on that.
Next you'll ask if hospitals should refuse care if you don't have insurance!!
Lastly gear, except for helmets in 20 states, isn't required by the DOT, AMA or your insurance company. And DON'T tell you think they should be involved with that area.
Interesting.Nexus242 said:As they would refuse to treat drunk drivers, un restrained drivers, driver with suspened license?? Got your answer right hear, Morgan, Colling and Gilbert - For The PeopleHardware said:Well, I've seen these debates in other motorcycle forums over gear.
For those who think that they have a right to ride in shorts and flip flops I have one question.
How wuld you feel, if, (after you go down in no gear) - the paramedics and ER staff refused you treatment because you didn't avail yourself of the most basic opportunity to minimise said injuries?
Just curious to see what the thoughts are on that.
Next you'll ask if hospitals should refuse care if you don't have insurance!!
Lastly gear, except for helmets in 20 states, isn't required by the DOT, AMA or your insurance company. And DON'T tell you think they should be involved with that area.
So, two guys go riding together. They're on identical bikes, with the same amount of experience, same ages & driving histories, (translation - they're paying the same for insurance).
One is in full gear, the other in shorts & flip-flops.
They're involved in a minor MVA, at say, 30 km/h.
There's a good chance the fully geared guy will have only minor injuries, if any at all. There's about a 100% chance that Speedo & sandal guy is going to have serious road rash and the very real possibility of a head injury.
Vehicle repairs being the same, the guy who took basic precautions and dressed for the conditions will incur far lower costs. If the insurance companies made the Speedo & sandal set bear the full financial responsibility of their refusal to wear basic protective gear then fine. It doesn't work that way in any places I've lived. As motorcyclists we all pay higher premiums.
So, someone's choice to eschew gear doesn't just affect him or her.
Then there's the issue of loosing control of your bike. At speed, I've been hit with rocks from trucks, (in the knees which were padded) and large insects in the face, (against a full face helmet) - just to name two examples.
I've lost count of the number of times, over the years that I most likely would have lost control of the bike had it not been for the protective gear I was wearing. In some of those instances, I was riding with others and would have taken at least one other person out.
So, the choice to wear gear or not can affect others.
So where does one draw the line then? Why stop at full gear?Hardware said:So, the choice to wear gear or not can affect others.
In order to minimize the chance you will crash and raise premiums for the rest of us why don't all cyclists, including yourself, refrain from exiting residential streets.
I think you would agree that most injuries on a public street and under 30 mph will be less severe than an injury on a main public road at a faster street. An accident might also be less likely to happen at all in a residential because it's trafficked less and by vehicles with an average speed far lower than any main road thus allowing more time for the cyclist to react and avoid an accident.
I don't think the line should be drawn at gear. That's my opinion and any opinion on where the line should be drawn in terms of our responsiblity to the rest of the riders out there is subjective.
That's it, it's time to ban all motorcycle cause they are too dangerous and everyone crashes. Too late to get this on the Nov 2nd ballot but maybe for early 2005??
Enjoy it while you can boys Motorcycle are gonna be outlawed cause they injury rate out weights their pleasure purpose.
Enjoy it while you can boys Motorcycle are gonna be outlawed cause they injury rate out weights their pleasure purpose.
Should we assume first that all states require insurance to operate a motorcycle??? Funny how that isn't the case in every state?? Wonder why that is??? Or that you must carry more then PIP on a bike in states the require insurance???Hardware said:Interesting.
So, two guys go riding together. They're on identical bikes, with the same amount of experience, same ages & driving histories, (translation - they're paying the same for insurance).
How many bike accidents don't go declared cause the deductable is higher then the damage and no one wants the claim on their insurance record.
I'm gonna take a 24hr time out guys. Goin to Daytona tomorrow to be with my biker peeps. So we can continue to beat this dead horse again tomorrow night providing I don't crash and die to prove ya'll points.
Cheers!!!
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