[the don]

derpitty derp derp derp!

so i left the parking light on (whats that for anyways :evil: ) and now my battery is completly dead. I've read post where they used a battery charger and all is well, but i'm stranded at work without access to one. I was wondering if there where any side effects that may occur when jump starting the bike with a normal size car. can it powersurge the bike? or will it even work? thanks if you guys could shed some light

btw the bikes a '04 gixxer 6

 

[the don]

i've got OCD too, if that helps. . . .

 

[Drake]

Both batteries are 12 volt batteries, but I'm not sure on the amperage differences. I don't know how reliable this is, but it seemed to have accurate info.

http://www.msgroup.org/TIP104.html

I would definitely not try to jump my bike while the car was running though. I'd just want to jump it off the battery only.

GL

 

[the don]

thanks for the link !

 

[the don]

what about push starting these things? does it work just like a car?

 

[sparty]

yup, i've done it, just start running with the bike, press on the starter, dump the clutch and hold on tight, dont fall off cuz if it doesnt start, the rear wheel will lock up unless you've got enough momentum to cause some compression, but it wont roll for long. good luck.

 

[87gsxrnut]

A piece of advice for push starting:

- Put the bike in 2nd gear
- DON'T push the starter button
- Make sure the key is ON
- Make sure your kill switch is off (i.e. in the run position)
- Try and move it to a hill of some sort so you can push it downhill. Even a small downgrade helps a lot.
- Make sure the choke is on if the engine is cold

1. Pull in clutch, and push
2. When you jump on the bike, push your butt down hard on the seat
3. At the same time your butt hits the seat, release the clutch
4. Repeat if needed

P.S. Sometimes you might have to put the bike in neutral to get a real good push. Be ready to slam it into gear as you mount the bike.

- Nut

 

[mcbike57]

Jumpstarting a motorcycle.

Do not jumpstart a motorcycle or any other small amperage system from an automotive type battery or charging system!!!! This can result in a total charging system meltdown and could include the electronic ignition system in the process in some cases. Should you be faced with jumping your machine from an automotive source the following is one way to do so: Use the automotive system as a power source for the electric starter on your machine. Do not hook battery to battery. Connect the positive jumper cable directly to the motorcycle starter(remember we are connecting to starter terminal), connect the ground cable to an engine mount bolt, connect other end of ground to automotive battery and then touch positive cable to automotive battery positive. This will crank motorcycle motor without introducing heavy automotive amperage into motorcycle system. The bike battery will provide enough power for the electronic system on the bike unless it is totally dead and the automotive battery will provide the needed power to crank the motor. Do not touch the starter button on the bike through out this procedure as it will backfeed the automotive amperage into the bikes' system.
Yes you can hook battery to battery and escape total destruction of the bikes system; however it only takes one time to cost hundreds of dollars in repairs. Think about it. :?
Do not crank the bike for an excessively long time as this will melt the starter down and incur further exspense. 20 to 30 seconds max is adequate if your machine is in good tune.
Sorry for the long post. First time on the forum and this is the first topic I saw. I have been working on and selling bikes for 20 years and I know some things that happen to them and this is one of them that can really cost a lot of money and cause a lot of animosity in a bike repair shop between operator and customer.

 

[87gsxrnut]

Yeah, That is a good idea if you can access the starter.

- Nut

 

[mcbike57]

Jumpstarting

I am not a nut! Why do you call me one? I have done nothing to you and do not deserve that! Anyone who owns a bike should be able to find the basic connections involved for the major components. Only trying to help folks from making a big mistake that might cost them. :? Just put in my 2 cents worth and you can take it for better or worse. Thanks for looking at my post and I hope this helps some folks.

 

[mcbike57]

Jumpstart

OOPS. My apologies to nut. I thought he was slamming me and it was just his signature. I hope he will take no offense to my reply. Thanks much and again my apologies. Good riding everyone.

 

[87gsxrnut]

No offense taken. It is a good idea. I never thought of it before.

- Nut

 

[Drake]

Re: Jumpstarting a motorcycle.

Do not jumpstart a motorcycle or any other small amperage system from an automotive type battery or charging system!!!! This can result in a total charging system meltdown and could include the electronic ignition system in the process in some cases. Should you be faced with jumping your machine from an automotive source the following is one way to do so: Use the automotive system as a power source for the electric starter on your machine. Do not hook battery to battery. Connect the positive jumper cable directly to the motorcycle starter(remember we are connecting to starter terminal), connect the ground cable to an engine mount bolt, connect other end of ground to automotive battery and then touch positive cable to automotive battery positive. This will crank motorcycle motor without introducing heavy automotive amperage into motorcycle system. The bike battery will provide enough power for the electronic system on the bike unless it is totally dead and the automotive battery will provide the needed power to crank the motor. Do not touch the starter button on the bike through out this procedure as it will backfeed the automotive amperage into the bikes' system.
Yes you can hook battery to battery and escape total destruction of the bikes system; however it only takes one time to cost hundreds of dollars in repairs. Think about it. :?
Do not crank the bike for an excessively long time as this will melt the starter down and incur further exspense. 20 to 30 seconds max is adequate if your machine is in good tune.
Sorry for the long post. First time on the forum and this is the first topic I saw. I have been working on and selling bikes for 20 years and I know some things that happen to them and this is one of them that can really cost a lot of money and cause a lot of animosity in a bike repair shop between operator and customer.

That's the way I jumped my bike. I had one of those automotive battery starter kits and jumped directly to my starter from it. Cranked her right over nicely. I've never done it another way, and since I got myself a new battery afterwards, haven't needed to since (this battery had repeatedly lost it's charge overnight, even without riding).

 

[mcbike57]

jumpstart

I had forgot about the full faired bikes and how everything is covered up and most folks aren't carrying enough tools to strip one down. I guess it would be a good idea to figure out how to get at a terminal on these bikes so if the occasion arose you would be kinda ready. Or take it onestep farther and create a jump point somewhere where it could be easily accessed. :wink: :idea: Again I would like to extend an apology to nut for my misunderstanding in earlier post.

 

[TL chris]

Push starting is less labor intensive than tearing off fairings and running cables. But Nut is right, better hold on tight it might lurch from starting or lock up the rear wheel. But I had a question. Why start in second gear? Why is first not a good idea? I've bump started in first gear in my cars and a bike a couple of times and everything was fine. Any insight would be beneficial to everyone that might be wondering the same thing. Anything to educate is good, right?

 

[87gsxrnut]

Higher compression motors will slide the rear tire in first gear, especially with a stiffer suspension. Second will usually spin the rear just fine.

- Nut

 

[mcbike57]

jumpstart

Thanks for the repy Nut. Like I said I am new to the forum. Really appreciate your understanding. I think I will VERY CAREFULLY check in on some of the other topics and see if I can do some good.

 

[TL chris]

I read in, I believe Motorcyclist magazine, that some bike have slipper clutches in them. Ducati's certainly do. A slipper clutch will prevent you from locking the rear tire while trying to bump-start. It also keeps it from doing that if you downshift too far from a higher gear So you just hear this popping sound instead of locking up the tire. Guess it helps keep you in control. Little nugget o 'nollege fer yall.

 

[jswan]

With the bike in 1st gear there might be to much compression to turn the motor over so the higher the gear the eaiser it is for the motor to turn over. If you have it in to higher gear and you are not pushing it fast enough it could fire then stall so if you have a 250 or less 1st gear might be fine.

 

[Guest]

I read in, I believe Motorcyclist magazine, that some bike have slipper clutches in them. Ducati's certainly do. A slipper clutch will prevent you from locking the rear tire while trying to bump-start. It also keeps it from doing that if you downshift too far from a higher gear So you just hear this popping sound instead of locking up the tire. Guess it helps keep you in control. Little nugget o 'nollege fer yall.

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