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:? I'm in the market for a bike yet I can't decide whether I should go with the Katana or a Gsx model. I want speed and performance however my wife wants to be able to ride with me as well. I'm also a little concerned about the fact that I see more and more motorcycle accidents everyday. Can anyone help?
 

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I hope you meant Katana vs GSX-R. A GSX is a Katana.

As for speed and performance, a GSX-R (aka Gixxer), has definitely more of that. Are you new to motorcycling? If you are getting a Gixxer can only get you killed.
 
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My bad!! I meant the GSX-R. I am in fact new to motorcycling but I have always wanted one. I like the Katana but I don't hear as much positive feedback as with the Gixxer. But I guess you're right. I should start off small. Thanks!
 

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i'm in the same boat as you hernandez1023, except i'm not exactly brand new to biking i do have limited experience. I like the gixxers for the look and power, but would prolly feel safer on a katana. my only worry is that a kat is a girls bike.
 

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my only worry is that a kat is a girls bike.
Oh man, that's so not true, well maybe unless your bike is painted Barbie pink...

No seriously, I think they is no such thing as a girl's bike. Katanas are great bike (so I've been told). Great looks, lots of power. Nothing girly about those.
 
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LOL ya'll are halarious. If your new to bikes get a GSX-R 600 that way you have better performance than a katana aka kat and you won't kill yourself as quickly as you would on a GSX-R 750 or 1000. My friend Shane has a 600 and he is happy on it plus he has never ridden a bike before and he started out on it and is doing just fine. Once your ready for a faster bike you can sell you GSX-R 600 and get a GSX-R 750 or go all out and get a 1000. And if you don't want to get a new bike you could always try boreing your engine to a higher proformance. And speaking of girl bikes... there is a girl I know a town away from me who rides a R6 and that is the only vehichle she owns. PLUS she is HOOOOOOOOT! Anyways don't get anything too big but for a really good bike I'd go with the GSX-R but it is your money and you can do what you want with it so choose which ever bike you think looks smoother or whichever one you think feels better between your legs. ;) Good Luck and ride safe.
 

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I disagree with you. Riding a bike w/ 100+ hp for a noobie is not advisable at all. Start off small with the kat. its got about 70-80 hp (I can't remember but I'm sure Bob will come to my rescue) and won't kill you. The GSX-R is a race bike. You wouldn't buy your 16 year old son a Vette Z06 to learn how to drive, you shouldn't do it for a bike either. Start off small and learn how to ride 1st.
 
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If your new to bikes get a GSX-R 600...

[That's what I was thinking as well. At least that's what my buddies suggest. I really like the GSX-R 600. Man, I want this bike so bad I've even had dreams about it. I dreamed I was riding the blue one. I went to look at the Kats and they look good but just don't do it for me that way a Gixxer does. Thanks for the advise.
 
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my only worry is that a kat is a girls bike.
Oh man, that's so not true, well maybe unless your bike is painted Barbie pink...

No seriously, I think they is no such thing as a girl's bike. Katanas are great bike (so I've been told). Great looks, lots of power. Nothing girly about those.

I looked at the Katanas and you're right they are great bikes. But they don't quite appeal to my eye the way a Gixxer does.
 
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LOL ya'll are halarious. If your new to bikes get a GSX-R 600 that way you have better performance than a katana aka kat and you won't kill yourself as quickly as you would on a GSX-R 750 or 1000. My friend Shane has a 600 and he is happy on it plus he has never ridden a bike before and he started out on it and is doing just fine. Once your ready for a faster bike you can sell you GSX-R 600 and get a GSX-R 750 or go all out and get a 1000. And if you don't want to get a new bike you could always try boreing your engine to a higher proformance. And speaking of girl bikes... there is a girl I know a town away from me who rides a R6 and that is the only vehichle she owns. PLUS she is HOOOOOOOOT! Anyways don't get anything too big but for a really good bike I'd go with the GSX-R but it is your money and you can do what you want with it so choose which ever bike you think looks smoother or whichever one you think feels better between your legs. ;) Good Luck and ride safe.

I just looked at the bikes again and I'm definitely getting the GSX-R 600. The Kats are okay but the Gixxer is what I want. I'll learn on the 600 and then eventually graduate to the 750. Great advise.
 
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No problem just remember to take it easy on the bike at first... the bike will only go as fast as you can hammer the throtle so as soon as you let off you do not accelerate anymore. Common since for anybody just learning to ride. Everybody has to start out some where and I think starting out on a moped is a waste of money. ;) Just ride safe and remember you gotta crawl before you can walk.
 
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hernandez1023 said:
:? I'm in the market for a bike yet I can't decide whether I should go with the Katana or a Gsx model. I want speed and performance however my wife wants to be able to ride with me as well. I'm also a little concerned about the fact that I see more and more motorcycle accidents everyday. Can anyone help?
Reply: If you are going to have your wife drive with you then the katana is the way to go, me and the missus have a great time driving around on the katana, we drive thru the mountains with little problem. Its comfortable and sporty. The GSX is strictly a high performance bike and should be treated as such, sorry its a one person bike and that is the way it should be for such a high performance bike. Accidents cannot be avoided, all I can say is take driving courses to teach you better defense when driving.
 

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Kool-Aide said:
LOL ya'll are halarious. If your new to bikes get a GSX-R 600 that way you have better performance than a katana aka kat and you won't kill yourself as quickly as you would on a GSX-R 750 or 1000. My friend Shane has a 600 and he is happy on it plus he has never ridden a bike before and he started out on it and is doing just fine. Once your ready for a faster bike you can sell you GSX-R 600 and get a GSX-R 750 or go all out and get a 1000. And if you don't want to get a new bike you could always try boreing your engine to a higher proformance. And speaking of girl bikes... there is a girl I know a town away from me who rides a R6 and that is the only vehichle she owns. PLUS she is HOOOOOOOOT! Anyways don't get anything too big but for a really good bike I'd go with the GSX-R but it is your money and you can do what you want with it so choose which ever bike you think looks smoother or whichever one you think feels better between your legs. ;) Good Luck and ride safe.

I just looked at the bikes again and I'm definitely getting the GSX-R 600. The Kats are okay but the Gixxer is what I want. I'll learn on the 600 and then eventually graduate to the 750. Great advise.
You think this is great advice ? How can you dream of riding a GSX-R when you don't even know how to ride ?. When you're on the bike you don't even see it if you're riding correctly except for glancing at the gauges occasionally.

As Kool-Aide said it's your money and it's a free country but why bother asking for advice when all you wanted was for somebody to agree with you ?.

IMHO both the Kat (GSX) and the GSX-R are too much for you to start on but since you've got to have the GSX-R why bother with the 600 go for the 750 or 1000 or even better the Hayabusa if you think you can master the controls so well and excel at riding your first times out why bother working your way up the scale, start at the top because in my opinion the 600 can and will spit you out if you make a mistake and it won't make any difference whether you crashed a 115hp bike or a 175hp bike the results will be the same.

In your original post you mention that you were concerned that you saw more and more motorcycle accidents everyday. Well you just answered why. A lot of riders are more concerned with looks and bragging rights than common sense. Buy a used modestly powered bike for your first season, you're not buying a motorcycle you're buying a learning tool then next season you can go buy whatever bike you want and you won't drop it riding out of the dealer's lot.

Now I apologize for the tone of my post but I don't want people saying that Suzuki-Bikes.Com suggest's that new riders get an actual racing bike to start. Now obviously even if you were to get the GSX-R doesn't mean you will drop it ( you will ) doesn't mean you will injure yourself and it doesn't mean you will kill yourself but the probabilities will increase. It doesn't matter that the chances are 1 in a thousand or 1 in a hundred when it happens to you or a loved one.
 

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Wow, go Bob. You actually are changing my mind about getting a gixxer as a first real bike. I've read your opinions before about how you think a low powered bike is best, but this time you seem passionate. I really like the looks and I won't lie the power of the gixxer and I to am a stupid cocksure newbie who thinks he can master the controls but the more and more I read how against it, and with this last post i'm thinking less might be more. :D

You think this is great advice ?
IMHO both the Kat (GSX) and the GSX-R are too much for you to start on but since you've got to have the GSX-R why bother with the 600 go for the 750 or 1000 or even better the Hayabusa if you think you can master the controls so well and excel at riding your first times out why bother working your way up the scale, start at the top because in my opinion the 600 can and will spit you out if you make a mistake and it won't make any difference whether you crashed a 115hp bike or a 175hp bike the results will be the same.
i think that is great advise.

also what is IMHO is that In My Humble Opinion?
 

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Yes IMHO, is In My Humble Opinion.

I fully agree with Uncle Bob. Getting a Gixxer as a 1st bike is practically suicide. Just thinking that you can handle a bike with that much power just shows me that you really shouldn't have one.

If you do get a Gixxer, I just sincerely hope that you will kill no one but yourself.

Having a bike is not a right its a priviledge. You have to earn that priviledge and you must keep it. No wonder the majority of the people think that motorcyclist are stupid assholes with no respect for the others on the road. 100 good motorcyclists are negated by a single bad one. Keep you and the other safe, buy a moped.

This is not intented to anybody specific, but specifically at all those who think a Gixxer or any other high powered would be cool as a first bike.

My two cents
 

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I was obviously being facetious about that whole paragraph. :)

In My Honest Opinion, I'm giving the best information I can based on my experience and a mountain of research I've done on motorcycles. I try to base my information on hard facts and the existing statistics available, not on anecdotal second hand information ex: "I know a guy who started on an XYZ 750 and never crashed so it must be OK".

As I mentioned everybody is free to do as they please and if you want to get a certain bike just to spite me, well it's your choice to make. You will probably be very disappointed with the bike because the reason I'm so adamant about it not being a good beginner bike is not the power itself, there are a lot of faster bikes around. It's rather that the power is delivered in a very abrupt manner and the brakes are very sensitive. This makes it unforgiving of beginner mistakes, it actually exaggerates any mistake you might make and changes a learning experience into an ER visit.

When I suggest a moderately powered used bike to start, I'm not saying you have to limit yourself to that bike for years to come just for the first few months. 5/5/5 is the rule to remember, most accidents happen in the first 5 minutes of a ride, less than 5 miles from home and/or in the first 5 months of riding.
 
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Bob is right about alot of the things he said. Really if you want to get a bike for looks then that is your opinion but everybody here is suggesting something really small like below a 100cc engine which in my opinion is about as good as a go kart. ;) Anyways I am only saying you should try asking a friend to ride his dirt bike or maybe a 600 if they own one and let them explain to you how to ride and what to do. Because the simple truth is no matter what your on you can kill yourself. I have been riding dirt bikes since I was 11 years old(I am 20 now) the day I first hopped on a Gixxer 600 I rode it like I have been riding it for years because of the fact I had alot of practice on the dirt bike before that. If anybody has anything to say about dirt bikes and sport bikes not being anything alike they can keep it to themselves because in my opinion the only difference in handling them is the power, handle bar placement, and smaller turning radius. Anyways what I was getting at is my friend Shane got a bike and rode it for a while and got use to it after a couple of weeks. Now he is riding it like he has owned one for years. He is a fast learner but that doesn't make everybody one. Anyways whatever you do just be safe and responsible when you ride and remember what I said about the bike will only go as fast as you can hammer the throttle so when you get on you don't throw yourself into a wall or tree by giving it alot of gas. Good luck bud.
 

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but everybody here is suggesting something really small like below a 100cc engine which in my opinion is about as good as a go kart.
I don't think anybody here is suggesting a mini-bike. I always suggest no more than 50 hp to start and mentioned a GS500 or a Ninja 500 both over 100cc's.

As for your experience on dirt bikes, this is an excellent way to gain experience. Many top racers started on dirt bikes, in the dirt you get to regularly practice moves that would spell disaster on the street such as rear wheel skids.
 

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Hi everyone,

I am new to this forum, but since these threads relate to an issue I've grappled with a lot these past few months, I thought that I would add in my two cents and, to top it off, enliven this debate with a contrasting opinion.

I am 26 years old, new to the biking world as of the end of this season. I took riding lessons (mandatory here in Québec) and my exams at the end of the summer. I just bought my first bike a few weeks ago, a 1997 GSX-R750. So far, I have put 350km on this bike, my first, as I mentioned earlier, and loved every moment! Can't wait 'til next spring!

I can see the flaming is coming: "Another newbie's gonna splatter over some tree 'cause he was dumb enough to buy a racer as his first bike".

Well, let me offer a different perspective on that. First off, and let's get that clear, any bike can get you killed, even a 50HP "beginner" bike or a moped for that matter. Of course a racer is trickier proposition as far as actual riding is concerned: the riding position is cramped, it requires a lot of effort to steer, and isn't all that maneuverable in close quarters. And, of course, it's got power. But is that the real problem?

I heard Bob saying to another Newbie (sarcastically, I gather), that starting on a Gixxer 600 isn't any worse than a 750 of 1000. Really? I am affraid I don't share his views. See, there's a lot of hipe around the notion of horsepower and the fact that a 100 + HP bike as a first bike is a bad idea. I think there's more to it than just horsepower; has anybody here ever heard about the notion of torque?

See, having tried out a few 600 supersports before buying my bike, they don't feel any more powerful than the GS500s we rode in our biking classes. How could that be, you're gonna say? Well, it's because the 600 doesn't develop much more torque (force) than the GS500, in absolute numbers. The reason they have more HP is that they keep delivering that torque over a wider (higher) rev range. That basically means that for a 600 to deliver the 40 or so extra horses it holds over the GS500, you have to drive it like you would in a race (that means HARD, opening the throttle to the stop and letting the motor rip near the redline). And that's why people often say that you can tire out of a 600: they have no torque. You want the power, you got to redline the dam 600. When you ride at highway speeds, a single downshift is often times not enough to get decent passing power. Not so with a liter bike, which develops a lot of force starting as low as 4000 RPM. This one may bite you even low in the rev range.

Fact of the matter is TORQUE is what gets you in trouble. A R1 or Gixxer 1000 will wheelie right in your face at 5 000 RPM if you are not careful with the throttle. Not so with a 600 (it'll do that at 11,000, mind you, but then you were rippin'...). People think cruisers are less vicious machines than race replicas. Well I got news for them: a big cruiser will spin its rear wheel and spit you out in a turn if you are not careful with the throttle, because it develops as much if not more torque (remember, FORCE!) that even literbikes starting as low as 2500 or 3000 RPMs.

Bottom line, with the caveat that I have expressed (race replicase being less maneuverable, more initimidating to steer etc,), if you ride with any respect for the bike (meaning not whacking the throttle open and keeping the revs in the lower two thirds of the rev range), a Gixxer 750 or 600 is not a vicious beast that will bite you. The difference is the rider, much more than the bike.

I pretty much putter around on my 750 while learning to cope with traffic, maneuvers, the controls, the road conditions and the bike is a pussycat. I am not going to strech it until I feel comfortable dealing with those variables, because I'm affraid! And I know that will take quite some time. Not a problem, because I am already quite content being on a bike that I like, that's got the sound I want, the look I want, feels like I want it to feel. I don't need to ride it hard to appreciate it. I will do someday, but I am in no hurry.

And that brings me to my second argument: people on smaller bikes are often taking much more risks than a rider on a faster bike, because they think that the bike is less dangerous. So they push they envelope farther, ride faster, take greater risks. And then they fall. Any bike requires enormous care, because you are unprotected. Don't get fooled into thinking that a newbie bike is leass deadly.

A racer is not a good idea if you intend to ride it hard before actually being an experienced and skilled rider. But if you are able to refrain yourself and take it slowly, I can't see how it is any more dangerous than a Katana, a GS500 or a Ninja500e or SV650. Just be careful with the throttle and don't let the potential that lies in the machine lure you into thinking you are ready to handle it.

In any event, I'll be quite content sharing different views with you board members, while I know that this is a sensitive topic. Just thought a little debate couldn't hurt.

Kindest regards,
 
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