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·Well i am new to the crusier scene and i just wanted everybody opinion on which bike they think is better and which one would probaly look better with a 22 year old riding it??
marauder vs. intruder vs. volusia
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·WOW! one vote i am making some progress on my dicussion. I don't know if it is just me but it seems that the sportbikes are what keeps this sight going. They are very few that seem to know what is going on in the land of cruisers.. but hey who am i to say.
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·Yeah you are right about that we are all riders, i just don't know a whole lot about crusiers and i am trying to find out more about them before i buy one. I already had a sportbike and it was fun but now i want something a little more comfortable on long trips.
VOLUSIA !
I can get you 5,000 votes for the volusia, just go to www.volusiaowners.com
Have already given links to magazine sites that when comparing middle weight cruisers the Volusia always comes out #1.
Size, looks and comfort like a 1100 or even 1500cc bike
Looks, pseudo HD fatboy look, gets a lot of positive comments
Power, mags often say that this is the only middleweight they'd consider for two up riding. Max power and torque come on really early making it easy to get started from a stop even 2 up.
Sound, it has a very nice throaty sound right out of the box
Handling, very good to excellent
Brakes , very good to excellent
Comfort, see size
Maintenance, very little to do, no chain to lube.
Accessories, plenty to choose from and more coming all the time.
It's Suzuki's top selling bike ( of all bikes, not just cruisers ).
Lot's of people say that's your getting an 1100 for the price of a 800.
Why do you think Honda has put a shaft on the 2004 750 Shadow ? Too much competition from the Vol that's why.
I can get you 5,000 votes for the volusia, just go to www.volusiaowners.com
Have already given links to magazine sites that when comparing middle weight cruisers the Volusia always comes out #1.
Size, looks and comfort like a 1100 or even 1500cc bike
Looks, pseudo HD fatboy look, gets a lot of positive comments
Power, mags often say that this is the only middleweight they'd consider for two up riding. Max power and torque come on really early making it easy to get started from a stop even 2 up.
Sound, it has a very nice throaty sound right out of the box
Handling, very good to excellent
Brakes , very good to excellent
Comfort, see size
Maintenance, very little to do, no chain to lube.
Accessories, plenty to choose from and more coming all the time.
It's Suzuki's top selling bike ( of all bikes, not just cruisers ).
Lot's of people say that's your getting an 1100 for the price of a 800.
Why do you think Honda has put a shaft on the 2004 750 Shadow ? Too much competition from the Vol that's why.
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·Uncle Bob i am sold. I am going to get the volusia!! T o much postive info about.. thank for all the help on finding out what bike is best for me....
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Great choice! you will not regret it!!marauder said:
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·I agree. It is a great bike! Go to the Volusia Owner's League site and you can get a ton of info. :twisted:Pepe LePew said:
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·04 Volusia
I felt it, I sat on it, I stared at it...and Fell in love... after months of research I think it is the right choice ?! I think it will look pretty cool next to my hubby's Harley... :?
Kinda matches the driveway...a Chevy and a Nissan..
Now in the garage.. a Harley and a Suzuki.. do you see a pattern?
My Maxima never needs the amount of service that his Chevy does.. I hope the same tells true for the Motorcycles..
The Volusia is a beaut
I felt it, I sat on it, I stared at it...and Fell in love... after months of research I think it is the right choice ?! I think it will look pretty cool next to my hubby's Harley... :?
Kinda matches the driveway...a Chevy and a Nissan..
Now in the garage.. a Harley and a Suzuki.. do you see a pattern?
My Maxima never needs the amount of service that his Chevy does.. I hope the same tells true for the Motorcycles..
The Volusia is a beaut
Anyone think that it is possible that RixKidz Suzuki and Nissan combined cost less than her husbands Harley? I went to a local dealer the other day, with Harleys, your just buying a name, their not even made in America anymore, forget sticker shock it was like a 3rd degree sticker burn. I think he needs to go with his wife the next time they buy a vehicle or bike, that Nissan and Suzuki is not going to cost half what the Harley will in the longer run, I say only real mechanics should own Harleys. If your going to spend that much, and want a great name get an Indian or something custom. What is the point of buying American cars anymore, the other day I had to pull out my METRIC set to work on my brothers SATURN. Most of them are foreign parts assembled in America anyway. How can I have American loyalty on my car when they still only have a 3 year 36K warranty. Buy Volkswagen (5yr/50K general or Hyundai 10 year/100K powertrain and a 5yr/50K bumper to bumper, or used Hondas their used have a better warranty than their new. However this is a Suzuki site, and from what I saw at Detroit I cannot say I will not be looking at that Reno or whats to come in the near future. The only American vehicles worth looking at are Dodge. They so better produce that Slingshot. I begged to buy it off the floor, but no go, I don't think it ran anyway, I heard it will be priced similarly to the Neon. If it is anywhere near 10K, I just might get 2.
Not exactly sure where you were going with your post but some points to ponder.
I don't have to worry about nationalistic integrity, to me a Harley or a Suzuki are both imports. I tease harley owners but the fact is that they have been around a long time and have very loyal fans despite problems with certain bikes. The fact that a lot of owners overlook these problems and still love their Hogs tells me that they are doing something right.
The more recent models have certainly improved in quality and innovation. What holds Harley back are Harley die hards who do not want their bikes to become flavorless clones of rice burners. I would suspect that if they came out with a bike up to par with what being done elsewhere they would simply go out of business because the flavor would be gone.
Now I would buy a Harley ( Road King ) if the price was more in line with what I could get from a Japanese manufacturer but die hards and posers keep shelling out thousands more than MSRP, so I do not feel I'm getting an inferior bike when I spend half the money for a more dependable bike.
Bottom line is that their is a lot more to a bike that just stats and figures, it's a "feeling" you get when you ride for some the feeling is a need for utter speed, for others it's the relaxing/free mood that you get when just cruising and smelling the flowers.
I don't have to worry about nationalistic integrity, to me a Harley or a Suzuki are both imports. I tease harley owners but the fact is that they have been around a long time and have very loyal fans despite problems with certain bikes. The fact that a lot of owners overlook these problems and still love their Hogs tells me that they are doing something right.
The more recent models have certainly improved in quality and innovation. What holds Harley back are Harley die hards who do not want their bikes to become flavorless clones of rice burners. I would suspect that if they came out with a bike up to par with what being done elsewhere they would simply go out of business because the flavor would be gone.
Now I would buy a Harley ( Road King ) if the price was more in line with what I could get from a Japanese manufacturer but die hards and posers keep shelling out thousands more than MSRP, so I do not feel I'm getting an inferior bike when I spend half the money for a more dependable bike.
Bottom line is that their is a lot more to a bike that just stats and figures, it's a "feeling" you get when you ride for some the feeling is a need for utter speed, for others it's the relaxing/free mood that you get when just cruising and smelling the flowers.
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Intruder worth a look
I AM a BIT prejudiced, being a new owner of an Intruder. I went for the 1400 after riding a friends bike. It pulls like a freight train on steroids and is light enough to handle like a sportbike (537 lbs.). I see you are looking at the 800 lineup and you really can't go wrong with the Volusia. But man, when you crank down on it, or pull it to a quick stop, the 1400 will absolutely amaze you. Some make the mistake of getting too SMALL a bike and later find they are trading up in size and parting with serious green for the privelege. The look IS different, I'll grant you, but for similar money from a competitive dealer (Like Barracuda Suzuki in Ft. Walton Beach, Fl.), you can save much of your hard-earned shrunken dollars. At least consider the two from a spec. point of view. That is my two cents worth. But the MAIN thing to consider (Just ask Rodney King) is
"Why can't we all just get along?" - regardless of which ride we choose?
Over and out, Beachbiker.
I AM a BIT prejudiced, being a new owner of an Intruder. I went for the 1400 after riding a friends bike. It pulls like a freight train on steroids and is light enough to handle like a sportbike (537 lbs.). I see you are looking at the 800 lineup and you really can't go wrong with the Volusia. But man, when you crank down on it, or pull it to a quick stop, the 1400 will absolutely amaze you. Some make the mistake of getting too SMALL a bike and later find they are trading up in size and parting with serious green for the privelege. The look IS different, I'll grant you, but for similar money from a competitive dealer (Like Barracuda Suzuki in Ft. Walton Beach, Fl.), you can save much of your hard-earned shrunken dollars. At least consider the two from a spec. point of view. That is my two cents worth. But the MAIN thing to consider (Just ask Rodney King) is
"Why can't we all just get along?" - regardless of which ride we choose?
Over and out, Beachbiker.
why huge pric differences?
I was wondering why are there huge price differences in certain cities? For instance, I live in Indianapolis, and the difference in price compared to Chicago is so drastic, its pointless to buy a bike here in Indy. To give an idea (using last years prices and bikes). The 2003 Volusia 40th Anniversary was selling for about $7200 in Indy. I saw the same bike for $5500 and a $500 off promotion, not but 2 weeks later in Chicago. If I would have had the money on me and known how great a bike it was at the time I would have bought it on the spot (I was with a friend looking for a bike for himself). He bought a new Hayabusa for about $8000, I gotta admit I don't like street bikes, but it is pretty cool. Why are the prices so drastically different in certain cities???
I was wondering why are there huge price differences in certain cities? For instance, I live in Indianapolis, and the difference in price compared to Chicago is so drastic, its pointless to buy a bike here in Indy. To give an idea (using last years prices and bikes). The 2003 Volusia 40th Anniversary was selling for about $7200 in Indy. I saw the same bike for $5500 and a $500 off promotion, not but 2 weeks later in Chicago. If I would have had the money on me and known how great a bike it was at the time I would have bought it on the spot (I was with a friend looking for a bike for himself). He bought a new Hayabusa for about $8000, I gotta admit I don't like street bikes, but it is pretty cool. Why are the prices so drastically different in certain cities???
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Price difference
Price of any item is usually dictated by supply and demand. Add to the mix in the case of vehicles : dealer attitude. Make a lot off a few, or a little off of many??? My former employer of many years ( GM/Chrysler dealer in a small NC town), decided to go to a 98.00 over invoice on ALL models. I was in the process of getting a PT cruiser. I ordered one for 98 over instead of the 1000 over sticker and up that many were getting when they first came on the scene (2001). I waited for it to come and have enjoyed it ever since. My local Suzuki dealer is not known for a sharp pencil, but an hour west of here is a dealer willing to deal to do business and go on to the next customer. So all in all, in answer to your question: since all dealers will pay the same for the product, find one that is willing and able to deal competitively while making a fair profit and you and he/she will cement a good relationship. Beachbiker.
PS: As for the difference in price in other cities, demographics and dealer supply will weigh heavily on price asked/received.Most dealers of vehicles have a "turn-to-earn" when it comes to allocation, especially of units considered "hot" or in short supply.
Price of any item is usually dictated by supply and demand. Add to the mix in the case of vehicles : dealer attitude. Make a lot off a few, or a little off of many??? My former employer of many years ( GM/Chrysler dealer in a small NC town), decided to go to a 98.00 over invoice on ALL models. I was in the process of getting a PT cruiser. I ordered one for 98 over instead of the 1000 over sticker and up that many were getting when they first came on the scene (2001). I waited for it to come and have enjoyed it ever since. My local Suzuki dealer is not known for a sharp pencil, but an hour west of here is a dealer willing to deal to do business and go on to the next customer. So all in all, in answer to your question: since all dealers will pay the same for the product, find one that is willing and able to deal competitively while making a fair profit and you and he/she will cement a good relationship. Beachbiker.
PS: As for the difference in price in other cities, demographics and dealer supply will weigh heavily on price asked/received.Most dealers of vehicles have a "turn-to-earn" when it comes to allocation, especially of units considered "hot" or in short supply.
One point that is incorrect is that not all dealers pay same price for their vehicles. A dealer moving a 1,000 bikes a year will pay less than a dealer moving 500, a dealer moving 100 bikes will pay less than a dealer moving 50 units.
Not all dealers are created equal, for some it's because of lack of cash, others have a lack of business skills others should just be in another business.
For savings it's important that your dealer be on the ball and have the cash. Beginning of the season when the new models come out is when business savy comes into play. The good dealers will preorder a large number of units thereby getting a good discount, this is important because at some point a total number of units is planned for the market and that is what will be produced for the year. Manufacturer will not fire up an assembly line to make one or two bikes.
Whereas smaller and/or mismanaged dealers will only order what they think they can sell in a worse case scenario and they know they will not be able to easily get other bikes to replace the ones they sell so they hold out for the high price since they will not be able to make it up in volume.
Case in point, when I shopped around for my Volusia most dealers in the Montreal area where asking $8,500can for the base model and over $10,000 for the SE ( saddlebags,windshield and backrest package). Add $1,000 to $1,200can for the Anniversary Edition ( which was only a special color "Pearl White", plus orange lighting for the speedo, studded seats and an anniversary key?). They justified the Anniversary edition price by it's uniqueness and that only one was available per dealer.
Well I'll try and make this short, after visiting over twenty dealers within a 50 mile radius of montreal, I had finaly resigned myself that the best price I could hope for was $9,500 can for a regular SE and that there was no way I was going to pay an extra thousand dollars to get a white one.
On my way to the chosen dealer to buy a gray/silver SE for $9,500 I was still thinking that I could do better and decided to drop in to one more dealer before putting money down. Well that was the best move I ever made. First of all he was the first one to offer me a test ride while he finished with another customer. He also had six of those exclusive one per dealer bikes. And he gave me his best price right off the bat, $8,750 for the Anniversary SE, or $8,500can for a regular SE model of which he had two of every color available.
Bottom line a Brand new Anniversary Edition S.E Volusia for $8,750ca or $6,550us.
Of course a dealer has to have deep pockets to do this, dealers do not want to start a price war that they may not win if they start undercutting other dealers prices by too much.
Best bet is ask around/ shop around.
Not all dealers are created equal, for some it's because of lack of cash, others have a lack of business skills others should just be in another business.
For savings it's important that your dealer be on the ball and have the cash. Beginning of the season when the new models come out is when business savy comes into play. The good dealers will preorder a large number of units thereby getting a good discount, this is important because at some point a total number of units is planned for the market and that is what will be produced for the year. Manufacturer will not fire up an assembly line to make one or two bikes.
Whereas smaller and/or mismanaged dealers will only order what they think they can sell in a worse case scenario and they know they will not be able to easily get other bikes to replace the ones they sell so they hold out for the high price since they will not be able to make it up in volume.
Case in point, when I shopped around for my Volusia most dealers in the Montreal area where asking $8,500can for the base model and over $10,000 for the SE ( saddlebags,windshield and backrest package). Add $1,000 to $1,200can for the Anniversary Edition ( which was only a special color "Pearl White", plus orange lighting for the speedo, studded seats and an anniversary key?). They justified the Anniversary edition price by it's uniqueness and that only one was available per dealer.
Well I'll try and make this short, after visiting over twenty dealers within a 50 mile radius of montreal, I had finaly resigned myself that the best price I could hope for was $9,500 can for a regular SE and that there was no way I was going to pay an extra thousand dollars to get a white one.
On my way to the chosen dealer to buy a gray/silver SE for $9,500 I was still thinking that I could do better and decided to drop in to one more dealer before putting money down. Well that was the best move I ever made. First of all he was the first one to offer me a test ride while he finished with another customer. He also had six of those exclusive one per dealer bikes. And he gave me his best price right off the bat, $8,750 for the Anniversary SE, or $8,500can for a regular SE model of which he had two of every color available.
Bottom line a Brand new Anniversary Edition S.E Volusia for $8,750ca or $6,550us.
Of course a dealer has to have deep pockets to do this, dealers do not want to start a price war that they may not win if they start undercutting other dealers prices by too much.
Best bet is ask around/ shop around.
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Good Summary!
Good summary of bike purchasing method to get best price. Also duly noted about cost to dealer in volume areas. I too had shopped a bit, was looking for clean, lo mile used and e-mailed dealer. He responded by saying no used ones... but ... would blow out his last '03 at a good price. And that he did. So shopping around by phone, fax or e-mail can often save a bundle. You might have to trailer it home from a distant town if you do not want to ride it home while new, but it will be well worth the time and effort.
Sounds like you have a sharp ride there, Uncle Bob. Any photos kicking around on this site of it? Later, Beachbiker.
Good summary of bike purchasing method to get best price. Also duly noted about cost to dealer in volume areas. I too had shopped a bit, was looking for clean, lo mile used and e-mailed dealer. He responded by saying no used ones... but ... would blow out his last '03 at a good price. And that he did. So shopping around by phone, fax or e-mail can often save a bundle. You might have to trailer it home from a distant town if you do not want to ride it home while new, but it will be well worth the time and effort.
Sounds like you have a sharp ride there, Uncle Bob. Any photos kicking around on this site of it? Later, Beachbiker.
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