Ok, here is my question, will I benefit from installing a Power Commander 3 USB on my bike, or not? I have a 2004 Suzuki GSX-R 1000, the only modifications I currently have done to the bike is a K & N air filter, and a Yoshi TRS tri-oval bolt on can. I can purchase the power commander for cost, this is the only reason I am even considering it. But…if I am not going to benefit from the modification, then I don’t see it being a practical move. Although maybe sometime down the line, I am considering a new header and mid-pipe for the bike. Thoughts, views, suggestions, all input will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Power Commander III Necessity, or…Not?
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Get it. Being able to play with your a/f (or have someone who knows what they are doing ) is very helpful. Especially since you plan to get a full system exhaust eventually you will need one then, might as well get it now while cheap.
What's the sensitive issue at hand here, is he asking our advice on unplugging a dying relative to lessen his suffering or how to make a stupid fast bike go marginally faster ?.GothamEMS said:
So I'm in a silly mood today, maybe I've got some issues that I'm trying to deal with using humor.
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What the ****??????????????
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Back to the topic at hand ...
If I could get ahold of a PCIII at cost ... I would, no questions asked. If you are going to make any mods later (new exhaust, etc.) you'll need to re-map the engine to get optimal performance - if you don't re-map it, you could do damage because it's running too rich or too lean.
The issue that UB is having (as far as I understand) is the philosophical question as to WHY you would want to make performance modifications. The stock Gixxer 1L has more power than you'll ever need on the street ...
If I could get ahold of a PCIII at cost ... I would, no questions asked. If you are going to make any mods later (new exhaust, etc.) you'll need to re-map the engine to get optimal performance - if you don't re-map it, you could do damage because it's running too rich or too lean.
The issue that UB is having (as far as I understand) is the philosophical question as to WHY you would want to make performance modifications. The stock Gixxer 1L has more power than you'll ever need on the street ...
If it's a slip on only, chances of hurting your bike without a PC are pretty slim. Yes, you'll get better performance from having one and having your bike tuned by someone who knows what they are doing.
Not to start a debate just trying to help save some money.
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From the 2Bros website:
My bike is fuel injected, do I need to make any adjustments or chip changes?
Generally fuel injected bikes automatically compensate for exhaust and engine related modifications very well. Unless you are building a Superbike motor with over 30% horsepower increases, your stock FI system should work just fine with your new exhaust system and you will reap the benefits immediately. We have however found that with the addition of a Power Commander and a proper map, the ride-ability of the bike will improve greatly over that of the stock bike and there can be additional performance gains to be had. We carry Dynojet Power Commanders for most fuel injected bikes and we can also furnish it with a map just for your machine and our pipe.
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And from PowerCommanders sales brochure:
Does the Power Commander interfere with the bikes ability to compensate for atmospheric conditions?
No.
The Fuel Injection Systems found on today’s bikes do a good job of adjusting fuel for atmospheric conditions (air temperature, altitude, etc). The Power Commander does not interfere with this and the automatic compensation remains in effect.
Not to start a debate just trying to help save some money.
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From the 2Bros website:
My bike is fuel injected, do I need to make any adjustments or chip changes?
Generally fuel injected bikes automatically compensate for exhaust and engine related modifications very well. Unless you are building a Superbike motor with over 30% horsepower increases, your stock FI system should work just fine with your new exhaust system and you will reap the benefits immediately. We have however found that with the addition of a Power Commander and a proper map, the ride-ability of the bike will improve greatly over that of the stock bike and there can be additional performance gains to be had. We carry Dynojet Power Commanders for most fuel injected bikes and we can also furnish it with a map just for your machine and our pipe.
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And from PowerCommanders sales brochure:
Does the Power Commander interfere with the bikes ability to compensate for atmospheric conditions?
No.
The Fuel Injection Systems found on today’s bikes do a good job of adjusting fuel for atmospheric conditions (air temperature, altitude, etc). The Power Commander does not interfere with this and the automatic compensation remains in effect.
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That may be his reason for adding this. He never said anything about needing more power. Just wanting to know if this would be a "smart" addition to his bike. Based on your words in the bold type above, it would be. Therefore answering UB's 'philosophical' question.inspiron said:
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Thank you very much :!: Finally someone who is not “reading into” my post, and not makeing the assumption that I am attempting to make an already ridiculously fast machine, well...go faster. Performance is the name of the game, and since I can get my hands on a power commander, cheap, I was just inquiring if the purchase was practical, or just not worth it. :mrgreen: TYVM :mrgreen:LayinLo_usmc said:
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Whew ... good price. I can get one in the UK for about GBP 220, and then get a VAT refund on top of that ... but still end up paying about $350.00.
If I come back to Westlake Village sometime this year, I'll let you know ... maybe I can pick it up while I'm there. At the moment, I don't have any plans to visit this year, but if my father's health continues to decline, I may have to change my plans on short notice
If I come back to Westlake Village sometime this year, I'll let you know ... maybe I can pick it up while I'm there. At the moment, I don't have any plans to visit this year, but if my father's health continues to decline, I may have to change my plans on short notice
Have seen people ruin performance on their machines by adding one performance part after the other without having previously laid out a plan of mods to do and the interaction of the different parts.RookWV said:
Have seen people fry their electrics and the expensive power commander by hooking it up wrong, have seen way too many riders get fed up with the expensive mods that ruin the performance on their bikes.
The pros usually can get excellent results with a Dyno but if you don't have one then all you can do is hope for the best.
Of course a lot of riders have had good success with the basic plug and ride technique but I doubt they have gotten the maximum results obtainable from the devices.
Do you need one in order not to hurt your engine with your new exhaust ? I seriously doubt it.
Traffic is spelled with two F's in canada also but not in french!
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I will have to disagree with the statement made by 2Bros website.
The motorcycle computer is not that smart. I replaced the "can" on my gixxer600 with one from M4 (I was getting tired of getting cut off) and the bike performance dropped considerably. Only after a "dyno" session and reprogramming of the stock computer, the performance returned (Baseline 96hp - after adjustment 101.5hp).
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