http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/08/25/daredevil.motorcyclists.ap/index.html
Great, more good press for bikers.
Great, more good press for bikers.
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yeah i no what you mean, but no offense bro motorcycles were never seen as a good boys/girls form of vechicle. If you can remember the 80's movies of this hot shot teen, or guy that just got out of jail that all the ladys were fascinated with they usually rode a motorcycle adorned in all black leather.04gsxr600 said:
not saying we needed that press because we didnt, however the ppl involved in that accident was obvious stunters which represent a small percentage of motorcyclist. its just sad because normal ppl do associate us with that small percentage, those that just enjoy the ride are now black listed for being a biker. Why do you think motorcyclist can act as brothers or best friends even though we dont know eachother? its because we share something car drivers dont, almost like a farternity. 
HALF OF THIS IS FALSE. I can't believe this is national. The person that got into that accident didn't pay attention to the road. She was watching the guys and she ran off the road.
No one is talking about this around here. I can't even find out who it MIGHT have been. The guys who they are blaming it on were at a sponsored show, so they weren't there.
No one is talking about this around here. I can't even find out who it MIGHT have been. The guys who they are blaming it on were at a sponsored show, so they weren't there.
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Here is the same answer I put to this in the off topic forum...
If they looked at the data correctly they may realize that the biggest problems are not sportbikes in general, but too many people getting the high-end sportbikes as their first bike, or new riders in general. If they really evaluated things, they might look at changing the way our motorcycling licensing works...make it more like the European tests; placing limits on HP until ability is proven.
I just wish they would do more complete research instead of scare everyone by eluding that almost twice as many motorcyclists are dying now compared to 7 years ago! :roll:
Here is the same answer I put to this in the off topic forum...
The above quote was from the article. I think it's interesting that they don't mention how many MORE riders were out there in 2003 compared to 1997...David Hough talked about this in Proficient Motorcycling...they always evaluate the data wrong. They look at it as more deaths period, instead of how many deaths compared to how many motorcycle endorsements were achieved that year, or how many motorcycle registrations that year.
If they looked at the data correctly they may realize that the biggest problems are not sportbikes in general, but too many people getting the high-end sportbikes as their first bike, or new riders in general. If they really evaluated things, they might look at changing the way our motorcycling licensing works...make it more like the European tests; placing limits on HP until ability is proven.
I just wish they would do more complete research instead of scare everyone by eluding that almost twice as many motorcyclists are dying now compared to 7 years ago! :roll:
It no accident that the data is evaluated wrong, its a pointed statement that person was making.
I just had my bike insured and was informed that in October the rates will go down because of kickbacks from the state due to less motorcycle incidents and claims. I believe their numbers are based per-capita of motorcycle riders.
I found that particularly interesting, because it seems automobile insurance steadily creeps up, regardless of driving record.
:idea: Come to think of it, so does cable.......
..... the cable-related deaths must be phenomenal!! Where's the press on that issue?!? :shock:
I just had my bike insured and was informed that in October the rates will go down because of kickbacks from the state due to less motorcycle incidents and claims. I believe their numbers are based per-capita of motorcycle riders.
I found that particularly interesting, because it seems automobile insurance steadily creeps up, regardless of driving record.
:idea: Come to think of it, so does cable.......
..... the cable-related deaths must be phenomenal!! Where's the press on that issue?!? :shock:
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LMAO!!! :lol: :lol:FIVEINCH said:
Everyone, guest and visitors included, I found this PowerPoint presentation to very informative, and slightly less biased:
www.atsip.org/forum2004/Sessions/Monday_1_12/S01/s1_shankar.ppt
I will be writing to the author to get some real motorcycle registration numbers.
www.atsip.org/forum2004/Sessions/Monday_1_12/S01/s1_shankar.ppt
I will be writing to the author to get some real motorcycle registration numbers.
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here's the local story about the CNN story...
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...adline=+Daredevil+bikers+run+wild+on+highways
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/ne...adline=+Daredevil+bikers+run+wild+on+highways
Oh I agree 100% the story is missinformed of the whole truth. Its just what the want to make of it. I have only had my bike a few months but I know the stigmas that come with it. Granted here in Auburn things arn't that bad.
The same goes with the offroad crowd. Just because you have a lifted jeep you automatically tear up the national forests (yes national, as in everyones forest.) where as most of the press comes from either roll over deaths (some unavoidable, even with proper gear) or some HS kids tearin up some grass. They hardly every report the trail maintinance, or fund raisers that responsible clubs do to keep the sport alive.
So I know the fight, i've been doin it for a long time. I was just committing that due to the uniformed public, this CNN story slams sportbikes.
The same goes with the offroad crowd. Just because you have a lifted jeep you automatically tear up the national forests (yes national, as in everyones forest.) where as most of the press comes from either roll over deaths (some unavoidable, even with proper gear) or some HS kids tearin up some grass. They hardly every report the trail maintinance, or fund raisers that responsible clubs do to keep the sport alive.
So I know the fight, i've been doin it for a long time. I was just committing that due to the uniformed public, this CNN story slams sportbikes.
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·are they 100% sure the motorcyclists were stunting? or do they just say that for a reason for the truck to try to run one off the road and hit the suburban?
here's what i think. I think they may have been stunting, but here is where the story gets blurry. The 16 yr old driving the explorer was next to them. (this highway is 10 lanes, but opens to 12 at points). she was watching them, thinking this is some cool $hit, and she drifted to the right and hit this suburban. Who in turn jerked the wheel back left to compensate, then ripped it back right, overcompensating, and boom! in the ditch.
Now the 16 yr old has no clue what to do. She is a new driver, on a brand new highway, and she says that the sportbikes cut her off and that is why she hit them. It's misplaced blame, nothing more. Granted I dont condone stunting on highways or where you can endanger more than yourself. That 16 yr old should be questioned more, but following that hall street incident, the media and cops are pissed. I smell blood in the water. There has been a lot of rain here recently though, so riders haven't been out to get harrassed.
It's an unfortunate circumstance, but I hope others besides other riders, realize the bias on this one. Then again life aint fair.
Now the 16 yr old has no clue what to do. She is a new driver, on a brand new highway, and she says that the sportbikes cut her off and that is why she hit them. It's misplaced blame, nothing more. Granted I dont condone stunting on highways or where you can endanger more than yourself. That 16 yr old should be questioned more, but following that hall street incident, the media and cops are pissed. I smell blood in the water. There has been a lot of rain here recently though, so riders haven't been out to get harrassed.
It's an unfortunate circumstance, but I hope others besides other riders, realize the bias on this one. Then again life aint fair.
Here's one even better.. NO ONE can confirm that these particular motorcycles were stunters. Everyone just ASSUMES there was a cager with a vid cam following, because "that's what they[sportbikers] do" :roll: I find it ironic that NO ONE is looking at the slightest possibility that this is all a 16-year old, inexperienced rider behind the wheel of an SUV, at highway speeds who simply got distracted then pannicked and reacted WRONG. :x
It really burns me up that it's automatically the sport bikers' fault. Oh, and wait.. I guess it's OK for CARS to be driving at 80, 90, and 100mph on insterstates, as they regularly do. What? So it's safer for them? How about displaying the statistics for auto accidents EVERY SINGLE DAY! At least with MC accidents they've got to go back a few years to actually show any significance in the numbers. On top of that, they don't bother with the ratio (as SuzukiGirl pointed out) of how many mc's are on the road today in comparison to the number of deaths, as opposed to previous years. Freakin propagandists!! :evil:
It really burns me up that it's automatically the sport bikers' fault. Oh, and wait.. I guess it's OK for CARS to be driving at 80, 90, and 100mph on insterstates, as they regularly do. What? So it's safer for them? How about displaying the statistics for auto accidents EVERY SINGLE DAY! At least with MC accidents they've got to go back a few years to actually show any significance in the numbers. On top of that, they don't bother with the ratio (as SuzukiGirl pointed out) of how many mc's are on the road today in comparison to the number of deaths, as opposed to previous years. Freakin propagandists!! :evil:
RIGHT ON! :bluethum: I agree completely! About those stats...somewhere on here there is a powerpoint presentation. it states that crash stats have gone up, while new riders haven't gone up as much. so crashes are becoming more frequent but not discernably so. also it stated that riders above 50 are goin up the most...something like a 10% jump!red7eb said:
I don't consider 80-90 an unsafe speed like the lady says. I mean hell the speed limit on 85 in AL and GA is 70mph. i do 80-85 everyday to work. And i've never had a MC pass me, I only see one everyday goin the opposite direction. oh yea i take my car to work. I've only seen one MC chase out of all the time i'm on the interstate. but once your in Atl. thats a different story. I've heard of helicopters gettin called a few times.
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